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 Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:31 am
| amother Khaki wrote: | I will be the humble one and say that I am shocked and betrayed.
I was pro masking, pro vaccination. I thought if only everyone vaxxed and masked covid will be gone.
I have been had.
My parent didn't get covid for a year and a half but a couple of weeks after vaccination nearly died from covid. The hospital refused to treat him because of being vaccinated.
Every couple of weeks new data comes out. First they admitted that 6 feet apart was made up. Then, the masking did not for the most part prevent transmission. Now the vaccines did not prevent transmission. It did not prevent infection. It's likely to cause heart issues and clots.
I'm sorry to all friends and family who I thought were conspiracy theorists and stupid.
I have been duped. |
IF everyone had vaxxed and masked - AND QUARANTINED WHEN EXPOSED OR SICK - then we would have been done with covid a long time ago. Israel was down to single digit cases nationally when it surged again after we decided to start reopening too many places at once and simultaneously drop the indoor mask requirement. Single digits in a nation that was carefully tracking and testing covid - meaning, those single digits were real. If we'd waited another 2-3 weeks we almost certainly would've been completely over it (until someone brought a new strain in).
I don't know what your parents did. I do know that many people after their first dose let down their guard, and more people after their second dose let down their guard. And you are only properly protected two weeks after your second dose. So if you contract covid before those two weeks pass, then no, you did not have the status of a protected, vaccinated person when you contracted it.
(You said "a couple weeks" after vaccination they nearly died - so that means that they contracted it at least 5-7 days before almost dying, and therefore if "a couple weeks" means they almost died 14 days after being vaccinated, they contracted the virus at least 9 days after their second dose, if not earlier than that - meaning, no, they were not protected at the time they contracted it. And that's not the vaccine's fault.)
That the hospital refused to treat your parents is absurd and wrong. There is no excuse for it.
Six feet apart was an estimate. Masking did not prevent anyone from contracting covid, only from passing their germs to others (which is not news). Vaccines were never intended to prevent transmission, but they did prevent it for some strains - not all. Vaccines were never intended to prevent infection - but they did do that, for some strains, not all. Vaccines cause blood clots and heart issues at lower rates than covid itself (at least for the initial few strains, possibly for omicron as well).
None of this is news. Most of it was known in 2020, some only became clear in 2021. I'm sorry you went on hearsay until now (maybe you still do) and I'm sorry you feel duped. And I'm sorry you and your parents went through that awful experience. It sounds horrific.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:33 am
| amother Calendula wrote: | | So all those unvaccinated people who aren't testing clearly aren't being hospitalized either. |
Some are, obviously, and when they are hospitalized it becomes clear that more unvaccinated people are hospitalized than vaccinated people.
But most people are not going to land in the hospital in any case.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:35 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | IF everyone had vaxxed and masked - AND QUARANTINED WHEN EXPOSED OR SICK - then we would have been done with covid a long time ago. Israel was down to single digit cases nationally when it surged again after we decided to start reopening too many places at once and simultaneously drop the indoor mask requirement. Single digits in a nation that was carefully tracking and testing covid - meaning, those single digits were real. If we'd waited another 2-3 weeks we almost certainly would've been completely over it (until someone brought a new strain in).
I don't know what your parents did. I do know that many people after their first dose let down their guard, and more people after their second dose let down their guard. And you are only properly protected two weeks after your second dose. So if you contract covid before those two weeks pass, then no, you did not have the status of a protected, vaccinated person when you contracted it.
(You said "a couple weeks" after vaccination they nearly died - so that means that they contracted it at least 5-7 days before almost dying, and therefore if "a couple weeks" means they almost died 14 days after being vaccinated, they contracted the virus at least 9 days after their second dose, if not earlier than that - meaning, no, they were not protected at the time they contracted it. And that's not the vaccine's fault.)
That the hospital refused to treat your parents is absurd and wrong. There is no excuse for it.
Six feet apart was an estimate. Masking did not prevent anyone from contracting covid, only from passing their germs to others (which is not news). Vaccines were never intended to prevent transmission, but they did prevent it for some strains - not all. Vaccines were never intended to prevent infection - but they did do that, for some strains, not all. Vaccines cause blood clots and heart issues at lower rates than covid itself (at least for the initial few strains, possibly for omicron as well).
None of this is news. Most of it was known in 2020, some only became clear in 2021. I'm sorry you went on hearsay until now (maybe you still do) and I'm sorry you feel duped. And I'm sorry you and your parents went through that awful experience. It sounds horrific. |
Staying locked up did nothing. As is israel proved. Everyone had to get it once for it stop being deadly. And I wonder if we were only working with natural immunity would it be gone now. And I think it would. All the new strains started with the vaccines.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:37 am
| amother Red wrote: | | Really? Who is dying now? Unvaccinated are healthy and great. I don’t see anyone rolling the dice. They have zero symptoms!! Why would they test? They are not getting sick at all. Why is it so hard to understand that you are still believing garbage that was spoon fed to you? I’m shocked that anyone can say any of this with a straight face. It’s no longer the boogey man, you can’t just make up facts, we have all been living it for 2.5 years now. We can see and we know. |
Zero symptoms now doesn't mean they aren't rolling the dice. And most of them aren't zero symptoms, they just see the symptoms as being the result of something other than covid. No one unvaccinated has had a runny nose, a sore throat, or a fever since 2020?
We've all been living this 2.5 years now and every day I learn more about why some people seem unable to comprehend facts, science, or even simple sentences that they read on online forums.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:38 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | IF everyone had vaxxed and masked - AND QUARANTINED WHEN EXPOSED OR SICK - then we would have been done with covid a long time ago. Israel was down to single digit cases nationally when it surged again after we decided to start reopening too many places at once and simultaneously drop the indoor mask requirement. Single digits in a nation that was carefully tracking and testing covid - meaning, those single digits were real. If we'd waited another 2-3 weeks we almost certainly would've been completely over it (until someone brought a new strain in).
I don't know what your parents did. I do know that many people after their first dose let down their guard, and more people after their second dose let down their guard. And you are only properly protected two weeks after your second dose. So if you contract covid before those two weeks pass, then no, you did not have the status of a protected, vaccinated person when you contracted it.
(You said "a couple weeks" after vaccination they nearly died - so that means that they contracted it at least 5-7 days before almost dying, and therefore if "a couple weeks" means they almost died 14 days after being vaccinated, they contracted the virus at least 9 days after their second dose, if not earlier than that - meaning, no, they were not protected at the time they contracted it. And that's not the vaccine's fault.)
That the hospital refused to treat your parents is absurd and wrong. There is no excuse for it.
Six feet apart was an estimate. Masking did not prevent anyone from contracting covid, only from passing their germs to others (which is not news). Vaccines were never intended to prevent transmission, but they did prevent it for some strains - not all. Vaccines were never intended to prevent infection - but they did do that, for some strains, not all. Vaccines cause blood clots and heart issues at lower rates than covid itself (at least for the initial few strains, possibly for omicron as well).
None of this is news. Most of it was known in 2020, some only became clear in 2021. I'm sorry you went on hearsay until now (maybe you still do) and I'm sorry you feel duped. And I'm sorry you and your parents went through that awful experience. It sounds horrific. |
Thank you for your kind words.
The reason why I feel betrayed it because we were assured that if we get vaccinated, we will be safe.
But we were not.
Not from contracting covid and not from its horrific side effects for so many.
It's unforgivable.
And they knew. That's the worst!
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:40 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | Zero symptoms now doesn't mean they aren't rolling the dice. And most of them aren't zero symptoms, they just see the symptoms as being the result of something other than covid. No one unvaccinated has had a runny nose, a sore throat, or a fever since 2020?
We've all been living this 2.5 years now and every day I learn more about why some people seem unable to comprehend facts, science, or even simple sentences that they read on online forums. |
Yikes that you think people are rolling the dice. Wow. I thought most people realized what was true and what wasn’t. Didn’t realize anyone was still stuck in this mindset. I wish you much healing.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:43 am
| amother Red wrote: | | Staying locked up did nothing. As is israel proved. Everyone had to get it once for it stop being deadly. And I wonder if we were only working with natural immunity would it be gone now. And I think it would. All the new strains started with the vaccines. |
You're wrong. It slowed transmission and bought time for scientists to create a vaccine, and for doctors to be able to find the best treatments for covid.
More people died in the initial wave than in any other wave, because hospitals weren't prepared and no one knew how to treat a new virus. Everyone who landed in the hospital in the first half of 2020 was a guinea pig: what does the virus do? what works and what doesn't? who has the greatest chance? at what point should we ventilate? what else might be a good idea?
It wasn't JUST about flattening the curve, though that was important to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. It was also about buying time so that we better understood the virus. Someone previously healthy, no preexisting conditions, in serious condition, hospitalized, at age 40, in February 2020 had a much lower chance of survival than someone with the same basic details who contracted covid in September 2020. And we continue to get better at treating covid and halting the deterioration into severe illness.
So no, Israel did not "do nothing" by locking down. Israel proved that when you take the right steps in time, you can significantly cut the death rates.
Covid is still deadly, and everyone getting it once did nothing to change that. Nor will "natural immunity" change anything significant, since, being a coronavirus, covid does not confer long-term "natural immunity."
The new strains of covid did not start with vaccines. Where'd you get that from? Sounds like you've got polio and covid mixed.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:45 am
| amother Khaki wrote: | Thank you for your kind words.
The reason why I feel betrayed it because we were assured that if we get vaccinated, we will be safe.
But we were not.
Not from contracting covid and not from its horrific side effects for so many.
It's unforgivable.
And they knew. That's the worst! |
I am so so so sorry that people promised you things that weren't supported in science, that we knew weren't supported by the science.
That is so wrong. I hope that they did it only out of sheer ignorance, and not b'meizid.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:46 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | You're wrong. It slowed transmission and bought time for scientists to create a vaccine, and for doctors to be able to find the best treatments for covid.
More people died in the initial wave than in any other wave, because hospitals weren't prepared and no one knew how to treat a new virus. Everyone who landed in the hospital in the first half of 2020 was a guinea pig: what does the virus do? what works and what doesn't? who has the greatest chance? at what point should we ventilate? what else might be a good idea?
It wasn't JUST about flattening the curve, though that was important to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. It was also about buying time so that we better understood the virus. Someone previously healthy, no preexisting conditions, in serious condition, hospitalized, at age 40, in February 2020 had a much lower chance of survival than someone with the same basic details who contracted covid in September 2020. And we continue to get better at treating covid and halting the deterioration into severe illness.
So no, Israel did not "do nothing" by locking down. Israel proved that when you take the right steps in time, you can significantly cut the death rates.
Covid is still deadly, and everyone getting it once did nothing to change that. Nor will "natural immunity" change anything significant, since, being a coronavirus, covid does not confer long-term "natural immunity."
The new strains of covid did not start with vaccines. Where'd you get that from? Sounds like you've got polio and covid mixed. |
I’ve got nothing mixed up. Covid is not more deadly than a cold now. My grandmother died of a cold because she was old and too weak, those sane people can die if covid. No one else is dying.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:47 am
| amother Red wrote: | | Yikes that you think people are rolling the dice. Wow. I thought most people realized what was true and what wasn’t. Didn’t realize anyone was still stuck in this mindset. I wish you much healing. |
Yes, they are. Long covid is still real and can happen after a second or third bout of covid (and after asymptomatic covid), and we still don't know what the long-term (as in years down the line) effects of covid are.
Ever hear of SSPE after measles? Covid can cross the blood-brain barrier and get into your nervous system. Viruses that do that, stay there. Each time you get covid you risk it crossing your blood-brain barrier. And that is rolling the dice.
Stop being nasty and making this personal about me.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:48 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | I am so so so sorry that people promised you things that weren't supported in science, that we knew weren't supported by the science.
That is so wrong. I hope that they did it only out of sheer ignorance, and not b'meizid. |
"During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."
This was the President of the US.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:50 am
| amother Red wrote: | | I’ve got nothing mixed up. Covid is not more deadly than a cold now. My grandmother died of a cold because she was old and too weak, those sane people can die if covid. No one else is dying. |
You mean it LOOKS no more deadly than a cold now, in its initial presentation.
When I said "mixed up" I meant the claim that the new strains were caused by the vaccine. They aren't, but there is a vaccine-caused polio type 2 strain, so I assume that's what you're mixing covid with. If you have proof that vaccines created new strains of covid, I'd love to see it. Please do bring the sources, since the mRNA vaccines (this thread discusses Pfizer, right?) are not physically capable of doing that - that simply is not how they work.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:53 am
| amother Khaki wrote: | "During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."
This was the President of the US. |
You're right, I remember reading that he said that.
I wish the US had a better-informed, less populist, less senile man for president. Ugh I'm so so sorry.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 8:31 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | Yes, they are. Long covid is still real and can happen after a second or third bout of covid (and after asymptomatic covid), and we still don't know what the long-term (as in years down the line) effects of covid are.
Ever hear of SSPE after measles? Covid can cross the blood-brain barrier and get into your nervous system. Viruses that do that, stay there. Each time you get covid you risk it crossing your blood-brain barrier. And that is rolling the dice.
Stop being nasty and making this personal about me. |
As a parent of children who have PANS, ANY virus or strep can cross the blood brain barrier and us parents have been fighting for that recognition for many years only to be tuned out by the same science/doctors your are touting now!
How DARE you?!?! NOW we need an untested vaccine with unknown side effects to "prevent" long covid? NOW, all of the sudden a covid can cross the blood brain barrier so we need to mask up /vaccinate the world to prevent that?!?!
My children get severe neurological symptoms including psychosis from enterovirus/rhinovirus- the common cold.
And I've been fighting to get them help for many years...
I absolutely despise this "prevent long covid c-r-a-p" coming out of the scientific community in order to scare everyone into vaccinating (every relative that got vaccinated with covid got bad covid a few months afterwards AND experienced heart or nerve damage issues!).
The long covid can come from literally ANY disease/virus in the world.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 9:09 am
| NotInNJMommy wrote: | | Tell me more about a genuine personal accounting while posting things like these as amother. |
What a weak response. Plz respond to her content if you can.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health.....58142
https://www.outkick.com/pfizer.....sion/
The first link is Fauci claiming in early 2021 that studies show that the vaccine will slow transmission.
The second link is from yesterday where Pfizer admits that they never had any study or idea as to whether the vaccine would slow transmission.
I'm sorry we live in a corrupt world where those in charge deceive you and I in order to line their pockets. But it's important to live in reality.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 9:11 am
| amother Poppy wrote: | As a parent of children who have PANS, ANY virus or strep can cross the blood brain barrier and us parents have been fighting for that recognition for many years only to be tuned out by the same science/doctors your are touting now!
How DARE you?!?! NOW we need an untested vaccine with unknown side effects to "prevent" long covid? NOW, all of the sudden a covid can cross the blood brain barrier so we need to mask up /vaccinate the world to prevent that?!?!
My children get severe neurological symptoms including psychosis from enterovirus/rhinovirus- the common cold.
And I've been fighting to get them help for many years...
I absolutely despise this "prevent long covid c-r-a-p" coming out of the scientific community in order to scare everyone into vaccinating (every relative that got vaccinated with covid got bad covid a few months afterwards AND experienced heart or nerve damage issues!).
The long covid can come from literally ANY disease/virus in the world. |
Many viruses do cross the blood-brain barrier, but not all can.
Covid can cross the blood-brain barrier, we've known that for 2.5 years. The vaccine was designed to prevent serious illness and deaths, and hopefully (but this was not why it was created) to prevent long covid, infection, and transmission. Hopefully.
I'm sorry your children suffered psychosis from a common cold. (Common colds, btw, are coronaviruses or rhinoviruses. And enteroviruses are stomach bugs.)
The vaccine doesn't prevent long covid entirely, it simply reduces the chance of suffering it.
And no, the fact is, the numbers of long covid sufferers are far, far, far higher than the number of people suffering after-effects from the common cold.
About your relatives, I hope you know that susceptibility to long covid, and covid in general, is highly influenced by genetics. I'm sorry that for your relatives the vaccine did not prevent the heart and lung damage. It's not a perfect vaccine by any means. It was never promised (at least, not by the scientists creating it) to be perfect.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 9:13 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | IF everyone had vaxxed and masked - AND QUARANTINED WHEN EXPOSED OR SICK - then we would have been done with covid a long time ago. Israel was down to single digit cases nationally when it surged again after we decided to start reopening too many places at once and simultaneously drop the indoor mask requirement. Single digits in a nation that was carefully tracking and testing covid - meaning, those single digits were real. If we'd waited another 2-3 weeks we almost certainly would've been completely over it (until someone brought a new strain in).
I don't know what your parents did. I do know that many people after their first dose let down their guard, and more people after their second dose let down their guard. And you are only properly protected two weeks after your second dose. So if you contract covid before those two weeks pass, then no, you did not have the status of a protected, vaccinated person when you contracted it.
(You said "a couple weeks" after vaccination they nearly died - so that means that they contracted it at least 5-7 days before almost dying, and therefore if "a couple weeks" means they almost died 14 days after being vaccinated, they contracted the virus at least 9 days after their second dose, if not earlier than that - meaning, no, they were not protected at the time they contracted it. And that's not the vaccine's fault.)
That the hospital refused to treat your parents is absurd and wrong. There is no excuse for it.
Six feet apart was an estimate. Masking did not prevent anyone from contracting covid, only from passing their germs to others (which is not news). Vaccines were never intended to prevent transmission, but they did prevent it for some strains - not all. Vaccines were never intended to prevent infection - but they did do that, for some strains, not all. Vaccines cause blood clots and heart issues at lower rates than covid itself (at least for the initial few strains, possibly for omicron as well).
None of this is news. Most of it was known in 2020, some only became clear in 2021. I'm sorry you went on hearsay until now (maybe you still do) and I'm sorry you feel duped. And I'm sorry you and your parents went through that awful experience. It sounds horrific. |
China wants no covid so they have been isolating people in quarantine camps and forcing everyone to stay home and isolate. They have been so strict yet people have been testing positive for covid despite their tyrannical approach to dealing with covid. Which is what you apparently want for Israel and America. But its not working. And the covid vaccines are not working either. And the masks are a joke that never worked but were used as an incentive to get people to vaccinate yet people are still wearing their masks even if they got four or five vaccines. And people who have been working throughout covid and presumably had covid and therefore antibodies still lost their jobs for not taking an untested experimental drug they didnt need while the people who vaccinated to remain at their jobs still got covid while being vaccinated.
And the list of lies and abuse of power by the govt in regards to covid and the covid vaccines continues while anyone who speaks out against their narrative is called a conspiracy theorist and is censored or banned from social media or even losing their licenses and jobs. All over untested experimental vaccines that are not working but the vaccine companies and their stockholders are raking in millions (and even fauci made millions so when do we investigate him to see if he is not invested in the vaccine companies stocks to see if it wasnt a conflict of interest for him to make any rules about the vaccine?). This is fraud yet you continue to support it. And testing it on an entire population and learning if it works or doesnt work isnt how science works so clearly the way its been dealt with is not scientific even if you scream at everyone to "follow the science". What will it take for you to wake up and realize that you have been played by the very people who are making billions on a drug that wasnt tested properly, isnt stopping covid, and is hurting and even killing lots of people? Why is it not being removed from the market just like baby formula was removed so that it can be tested properly to ensure that it actually works and no one is hurt or killed by it?
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 9:23 am
| amother Azalea wrote: | Many viruses do cross the blood-brain barrier, but not all can.
Covid can cross the blood-brain barrier, we've known that for 2.5 years. The vaccine was designed to prevent serious illness and deaths, and hopefully (but this was not why it was created) to prevent long covid, infection, and transmission. Hopefully.
I'm sorry your children suffered psychosis from a common cold. (Common colds, btw, are coronaviruses or rhinoviruses. And enteroviruses are stomach bugs.)
The vaccine doesn't prevent long covid entirely, it simply reduces the chance of suffering it.
And no, the fact is, the numbers of long covid sufferers are far, far, far higher than the number of people suffering after-effects from the common cold.
About your relatives, I hope you know that susceptibility to long covid, and covid in general, is highly influenced by genetics. I'm sorry that for your relatives the vaccine did not prevent the heart and lung damage. It's not a perfect vaccine by any means. It was never promised (at least, not by the scientists creating it) to be perfect. |
My relatives got heart and neurological issues after the vaccines and before they caught covid...
The science of top universities that the blood brain barrier is breachable...by mostly anything...and more and more antibodies against the brain are being discovered.
What do u think causes chronic fatigue syndrome, fybromylagia, arthritis etc?
It always existed and the vaccines can cross the blood brain barrier just like any real virus can. It is a lie to say otherwise.
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 9:25 am
| amother Aster wrote: | China wants no covid so they have been isolating people in quarantine camps and forcing everyone to stay home and isolate. They have been so strict yet people have been testing positive for covid despite their tyrannical approach to dealing with covid. Which is what you apparently want for Israel and America. But its not working.
And the covid vaccines are not working either. And the masks are a joke that never worked but were used as an incentive to get people to vaccinate yet people are still wearing their masks even if they got four or five vaccines. And people who have been working throughout covid and presumably had covid and therefore antibodies still lost their jobs for not taking an untested experimental drug they didnt need while the people who vaccinated to remain at their jobs still got covid while being vaccinated.
And the list of lies and abuse of power by the govt in regards to covid and the covid vaccines continues while anyone who speaks out against their narrative is called a conspiracy theorist and is censored or banned from social media or even losing their licenses and jobs.
All over untested experimental vaccines that are not working but the vaccine companies and their stockholders are raking in millions (and even fauci made millions so when do we investigate him to see if he is not invested in the vaccine companies stocks to see if it wasnt a conflict of interest for him to make any rules about the vaccine?). This is fraud yet you continue to support it.
And testing it on an entire population and learning if it works or doesnt work isnt how science works so clearly the way its been dealt with is not scientific even if you scream at everyone to "follow the science". What will it take for you to wake up and realize that you have been played by the very people who are making billions on a drug that wasnt tested properly, isnt stopping covid, and is hurting and even killing lots of people? Why is it not being removed from the market just like baby formula was removed so that it can be tested properly to ensure that it actually works and no one is hurt or killed by it? |
I'm putting in paragraph breaks so that I can actually read what you wrote.
You have no idea what I want for Israel OR America. Nor do you know what I think of what China has been doing. And in addition, you are forgetting that China had a very very long stretch with no covid.
You're right that the covid vaccines intended for the original strain don't work on omicron. That's not a surprise. Masks were never used right, so of course they didn't work, and that's not a surprise either. I don't know anyone who got five vaccines, or that such a thing was even approved anywhere in the world. Nor do I think it is wise to presume that anyone who got covid still has antibodies.
I don't argue how other people's governments abused power. So I'm not going to argue about if or how the US government abused its power. I've heard enough to make me glad that I don't live in the US, because the pandemic there was mishandled from beginning to end.
The vaccines were absolutely tested and they did work but no one expected them to work for every strain.
If Fauci made millions off the vaccine then that needs to be investigated because it sounds unethical for a man in his position to be profiting off a medical product.
The vaccines were not "tested on an entire population," that's not how the testing process works.
Baby formula is still on the market decades later despite the fact that it comes with well-known risks. Yet for those who need it the formula is literally lifesaving so we leave it on the market. Same for the covid vaccine. (And we leave formula on shelves because women's organizations, which have big bucks, don't want it off the market, since formula being removed from shelves limits women to nursing only and also limits their option to be baby-free whenever they wish. Therefore, big bucks keep formula on shelves despite the fact that it's not healthy for mother or baby. So without getting into the formula debate, let's just agree that there are big bucks there as well.)
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Wed, Oct 12 2022, 9:26 am
| amother Poppy wrote: | My relatives got heart and neurological issues after the vaccines and before they caught covid...
The science of top universities that the blood brain barrier is breachable...by mostly anything...and more and more antibodies against the brain are being discovered.
What do u think causes chronic fatigue syndrome, fybromylagia, arthritis etc?
It always existed and the vaccines can cross the blood brain barrier just like any real virus can. It is a lie to say otherwise. |
Of course it is breachable but not by almost anything. If you have studies showing otherwise I'd like to see them, I am always interested in learning more.
Obviously some of these things are caused by viruses but some are caused by genetics.
[I've split posts which are attacking others. If you really truly feel you need to speak that way, do it under your own username and do not abuse amother privileges, which Yael does take away as she feels necessary. Amother Red - please now exit this thread as amother and only post again under your username. - mod]
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