Shocking: Pfizer says vax was never tested regarding stoppin

amother

↑ Azalea ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:33 am

amother Calendula wrote:

How can I show you when they deleted the wrong information that they were advertising? But yes they said the covid vaccine was 96% effective at preventing one from getting and transmitting covid. And then that percentage went lower and lower. Till they said it prevents serious illness and death.

That wasn't Pfizer that talked about transmission. Pfizer talked about it preventing the vaccinated person from contracting covid. Yes the percentages dropped lower, and that's to be expected, for reasons I really don't have the energy to get into now. (For instance the Pfizer infant vaccine is "supposed" to be 80% effective in preventing the kids from contracting covid. But no one in their right mind - that is, no one with any knowledge of science - expects the number to truly remain that high over time. And because we don't expect it to remain that high, we won't be claiming that Pfizer "lied" when it drops. Nor did Pfizer lie - they said explicitly that the 80% will likely drop to a lower number as Stage 4 progresses.)

It was Israeli data that showed that the Pfizer prevented transmission at a very high rate - around 96% for one of the strains. I want to say it that study was done by Sheba but don't quote me on that, because I may be misremembering. It certainly wasn't Pfizer.

Once more, I repeat: Pfizer's aim was always to prevent serious illness and death. They were not testing whether it prevents transmission. That was not their goal - it was just a bonus everyone prayed for.

I'm sorry you were so sadly misinformed during 2020 and 2021. But that really is no one's fault but your own. The information was readily available to all who sought it.

amother

↑ Calendula ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:35 am

amother Azalea wrote:

How is preventing someone from contracting covid different than transmission?

amother

↑ Azalea ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:46 am

amother Calendula wrote:

How is preventing someone from contracting covid different than transmission?

Ohhhh thank you. Maybe this is why people are getting so confused?

Okay, I'm vaxxed and you're not. You and I are at a community event, with others who are vaccinated or not. You have covid and refuse to mask or quarantine. As a result, transmission rates - this was an indoor event in early spring - are pretty high.

Because you're not vaccinated, you transmit covid to over half of the attendees at this event. I am double-vaxxed - I received my second dose about two months ago - and despite the fact that SO many people at this event contracted covid (thanks to your transmission of it), I DON'T contract covid.

The vaccine prevented me from contracting covid. That is NOT the same as preventing transmission.

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Another scenario. Ten hospital employees at Ichilov undergo covid tests because they were exposed to a patient who had covid. Eight of those employees are twice-vaccinated, two are still unvaccinated (we don't know why, and it's irrelevant).

All ten employees only discover they were exposed after they are already in the contagious period.

The two who are unvaccinated brought the virus home and infected their families. They and their families now join the covid statistics.

The eight who were vaccinated somehow managed not to infect their families. It's not really certain why. However, we can work off the assumption that they spent around as much time with their families as the unvaccinated employees did, and we know that they were all exposed on the same day and all found out that they were positive on the same day, and because of those facts, we assume that all their families were exposed just about the same number of hours. Therefore, the only real difference is vaccination status.

Therefore, that none of the eight vaccinated employees' families contracted covid (which is absolutely amazing - and at the time, it was unheard of), but both of the unvaccinated employees' families contracted covid, can be assumed to be the result of the vaccine preventing transmission.

Even though the Ichilov employees (I am pretty sure it was Ichilov) contracted covid, those who were vaccinated did NOT transmit it to their families.

This means that essentially, on the ground, the vaccine prevents transmission. And that it can do so EVEN in cases where the viral load was so high that the person contracted covid despite the vaccine.

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NOW is the difference between transmission and contracting the illness clear? I hope this is why so many people got confused. Maybe this is why OP is confused, too.

amother

↑ Calendula ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:49 am

amother Azalea wrote:

Ohhhh thank you. Maybe this is why people are getting so confused?

Okay, I'm vaxxed and you're not. You and I are at a community event, with others who are vaccinated or not. You have covid and refuse to mask or quarantine. As a result, transmission rates - this was an indoor event in early spring - are pretty high.

Because you're not vaccinated, you transmit covid to over half of the attendees at this event. I am double-vaxxed - I received my second dose about two months ago - and despite the fact that SO many people at this event contracted covid (thanks to your transmission of it), I DON'T contract covid.

The vaccine prevented me from contracting covid. That is NOT the same as preventing transmission.

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Another scenario. Ten hospital employees at Ichilov undergo covid tests because they were exposed to a patient who had covid. Eight of those employees are twice-vaccinated, two are still unvaccinated (we don't know why, and it's irrelevant).

All ten employees only discover they were exposed after they are already in the contagious period.

The two who are unvaccinated brought the virus home and infected their families. They and their families now join the covid statistics.

The eight who were vaccinated somehow managed not to infect their families. It's not really certain why. However, we can work off the assumption that they spent around as much time with their families as the unvaccinated employees did, and they were all exposed on the same day and all found out that they were positive on the same day, and all their families were exposed just about the same number of hours. Therefore, the only real difference is vaccination status.

Therefore, that none of the eight vaccinated employees' families contracted covid, but both of the unvaccinated employees' families contracted covid, can be assumed to be the result of the vaccine preventing transmission.

Even though the Ichilov employees (I am pretty sure it was Ichilov) contracted covid, those who were vaccinated did NOT transmit it to their families.

This means that essentially, on the ground, the vaccine prevents transmission.

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NOW is the difference between transmission and contracting the illness clear? I hope this is why so many people got confused. Maybe this is why OP is confused, too.

But being that I was fully vaxxed and still got covid...and so did all my coworkers. How do you explain that?

amother

↑ Azalea ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:54 am

amother Calendula wrote:

But being that I was fully vaxxed and still got covid...and so did all my coworkers. How do you explain that?

Where do you work, and what strain did you get, and how many months after you got vaccinated did you contract covid?

All those details play a part in the answer.

(BTW just like you get a cold around twice a year, we expect that people will either get covid around twice a year, or need boosters twice a year - and this was said by scientists, way back in the summer of 2020. Coronavirus antibodies are not known to last more than 2-6 months.)

amother

↑ Calendula ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:55 am

amother Azalea wrote:

3 months after I was vaccinated. And I'm sure there will be tons of excuses of why the vaccine was so great and effective even though most vaccinated people still got covid...

amother

↑ Red ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:55 am

amother Azalea wrote:

So to summarize you think once vaccinated you can’t catch covid? So why do I know hundreds that are vaxxed, and boosted and caught it 3 times since then?

amother

↑ Red ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 5:57 am

amother Azalea wrote:

Ok so if you will get it every few months anyway then what’s the point in the vaccine? And why do I know unvaccinated people that only had it once at the beginning and never again?

amother

↑ Calendula ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 6:38 am

writinggirl wrote:

Go back to old threads. Many of us “pro vaxxers” repeatedly said it wasn’t going to stop transmission. That wasn’t why I got vaccinated. I got vaccinated to lower my chance of contracting covid which IN TURN prevents transmission (no illness=no transmission).

Sure. So why did many pro vaxxers call others grandma killers. And wasn't the whole point of not letting unvaxxinated people go places so they don't transmit covid? And vaccinated people were allowed in because they wouldn't contribute to the spread of covid?

amother

↑ Azalea ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 6:59 am

amother Red wrote:

So to summarize you think once vaccinated you can’t catch covid? So why do I know hundreds that are vaxxed, and boosted and caught it 3 times since then?

That's not what I said. Please reread the entire post.

Obviously if I brought an example of eight vaccinated employees who contracted covid (but didn't transmit it), then I don't believe that it's impossible to catch covid once you're vaccinated.

You know hundreds of people's vaccine status AND how many times they caught it after they were vaccinated? That's impressive. Please be adult enough to admit that "one girl" not playing with you does not equal "no one plays with me."

amother

↑ Azalea ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:03 am

amother Red wrote:

Ok so if you will get it every few months anyway then what’s the point in the vaccine? And why do I know unvaccinated people that only had it once at the beginning and never again?

Because every time you get covid you roll the covid dice with regards to hospitalization, serious illness, and long covid (regardless of what the death rate is or whether it is properly recorded). Because for some people rolling the dice with the vaccine (which isn't risk-free but the risks are pretty known) every few months is better than rolling the dice with covid (which has loads of risks, reported and unreported, known and unknown, long-term and short-term) every few months.

Regarding the unvaccinated people who "only got covid once" the answer is simple: They probably aren't testing, not because they weren't exposed or symptomatic but because they "don't believe" in it so they aren't testing. Because they don't care to test, or think that since they got it once it doesn't matter anymore so why bother testing anyways.

amother

↑ Azalea ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:07 am

amother Calendula wrote:

The same reason so many antivaxxers called pro-vaxxers "sheeple" and other really nasty names and claimed that anyone who was pro-vax had shares in Big Pharma and was willing to kill innocent young people.

And again. Once it became obvious (from what was happening on the ground) that the vaccine DID prevent the transmission of covid (when the circulating strains were the original, alpha, and delta), there was no reason to allow extra risk in public spaces. Obviously when omicron became dominant and vaccine and recovery status was rendered irrelevant, these precautions were dropped. But while they were relevant, why not use them?

amother

Khaki ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:21 am

I will be the humble one and say that I am shocked and betrayed.

I was pro masking, pro vaccination. I thought if only everyone vaxxed and masked covid will be gone.

I have been had.

My parent didn't get covid for a year and a half but a couple of weeks after vaccination nearly died from covid. The hospital refused to treat him because of being vaccinated.

Every couple of weeks new data comes out. First they admitted that 6 feet apart was made up. Then, the masking did not for the most part prevent transmission. Now the vaccines did not prevent transmission. It did not prevent infection. It's likely to cause heart issues and clots.

I'm sorry to all friends and family who I thought were conspiracy theorists and stupid.

I have been duped.

amother

↑ Calendula ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:27 am

amother Azalea wrote:

So all those unvaccinated people who aren't testing clearly aren't being hospitalized either.

amother

↑ Calendula ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:28 am

amother Khaki wrote:

Thanks for this. It's nice to read.

amother

↑ Red ↓

Wed, Oct 12 2022, 7:31 am

amother Azalea wrote:

Really? Who is dying now? Unvaccinated are healthy and great. I don’t see anyone rolling the dice. They have zero symptoms!! Why would they test? They are not getting sick at all. Why is it so hard to understand that you are still believing garbage that was spoon fed to you? I’m shocked that anyone can say any of this with a straight face. It’s no longer the boogey man, you can’t just make up facts, we have all been living it for 2.5 years now. We can see and we know.