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amother
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 Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:58 pm
| amother [ Lemon ] wrote: | No. That society should be taking a harder look at the biological underpinnings of gender issues [and autism] and finding biological pathways to healing.
In response to the post I quoted saying kids on the spectrum are prone to “fall” for gender dysphasia because they already feel different. Just saying it may really be a brain thing. |
You can’t biologically “heal” autism. Or gender dysphoria.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:01 pm
| amother [ Lemon ] wrote: | No. That society should be taking a harder look at the biological underpinnings of gender issues [and autism] and finding biological pathways to healing.
In response to the post I quoted saying kids on the spectrum are prone to “fall” for gender dysphasia because they already feel different. Just saying it may really be a brain thing. |
Children on the spectrum are more likely to be friendless and bullied.
By identifying as trans or gay, the school administration and many of the students
are showering them with attention and treating them like Heroes.
And anyone who bullies them will now be expelled.
It is very logical for societal outcasts to identify as a Privileged Category.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:02 pm
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Not all trans-identified people have gender dysphoria. People who believe that only those with dysphoria are legitimately transgender are called "truscum" and are hated almost as much as TERFs.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:03 pm
| #BestBubby wrote: | By identifying as trans or gay, the school administration and many of the students
are showering them with attention and treating them like Heroes. |
Only if it's the type of gay that's attracted to trans people of the opposite s-x.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:05 pm
| #BestBubby wrote: | Children on the spectrum are more likely to be friendless and bullied.
By identifying as trans or gay, the school administration and many of the students
are showering them with attention and treating them like Heroes.
And anyone who bullies them will now be expelled.
It is very logical for societal outcasts to identify as a Privileged Category. |
Exactly.
Looking for obscure (read: nonexistant) biological treatment is unnecessary when quality talk therapy is extremely effective. Problem is, it is illegal!
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:07 pm
We have to get that law changed.
But most vote out the Tyrant Party to achieve that.
If all schools were barred from discussing trans (or gay) from k-12
99% of the trans kids would disappear.
Florida banned discussing trans or gay from k-3. Need to ban it from k-12.
Last edited by #BestBubby on Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:07 pm
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | Exactly.
Looking for obscure (read: nonexistant) biological treatment is unnecessary when quality talk therapy is extremely effective. Problem is, it is illegal! |
It’s not illegal. Allowing the child to safely explore in therapy is not illegal. Conversion therapy is illegal.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:09 pm
| #BestBubby wrote: | | Are you sure? Seems like now 9 year olds can make their own medical decisions - even to die! |
Shouldn't be. If a hospital refused to provide treatment without a child's consent, sounds like a lawsuit to me.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:09 pm
| chanatron1000 wrote: | | Not all trans-identified people have gender dysphoria. People who believe that only those with dysphoria are legitimately transgender are called "truscum" and are hated almost as much as TERFs. |
How immature of them.
Did you read my list of reasons people become transgender? One was trauma, another autogynephelia, social pressure, the list goes on. Gender dysphoria accounts for some of these.
It is rare to find a man who says, "I am aroused by the sight of myself in the mirror when I dress as a woman." It is embarrassing so they instead say "I was assigned male but am really a woman trapped in a mans body. This is my true self."
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:09 pm
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | | It’s not illegal. Allowing the child to safely explore in therapy is not illegal. Conversion therapy is illegal. |
It IS illegal to encourage a child who is doubting if they are trans.
Only AFFIRMING trans identity is allowed.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:11 pm
Gender Dysphoria should be treated like Anorexia.
Children should be encouraged to accept reality and understand they cannot change their s@x.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:13 pm
Children are now identifying as Cats and only answering teachers with "Meow"
And teachers are forbidden from saying anything against this or fired for "violence".
Jade and Charcoal, do you support this as well???
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:14 pm
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | | It’s not illegal. Allowing the child to safely explore in therapy is not illegal. Conversion therapy is illegal. |
Wrong. Mental health and physician associations forbid therapy other than gender affirming in 24 states.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:16 pm
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | How immature of them.
Did you read my list of reasons people become transgender? One was trauma, another autogynephelia, social pressure, the list goes on. Gender dysphoria accounts for some of these.
It is rare to find a man who says, "I am aroused by the sight of myself in the mirror when I dress as a woman." It is embarrassing so they instead say "I was assigned male but am really a woman trapped in a mans body. This is my true self." |
Some people might be falsely claiming to have gender dysphoria. Others don't claim to have it at all. They say that they have a gender identity other than "gender assigned at birth" and it doesn't cause them dysphoria but is their true self.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:18 pm
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | | I actually agree with you on this one. There’s an explosion of trans kids coming out of the woodworks suddenly, especially in mainstream society. It’s sad but it’s something we need to deal with and blaming it on liberal propaganda doesn’t help anyone. My opinion is, (and I’ve spoken to moms of formerly trans kids) let the kids explore as part of emotional development as long as there is no medical intervention involved. Give them all the support and therapy they need, hopefully by the time they reach adulthood, they’ll realize that this isn’t the answer they were looking for. It’s worked for other moms. Sometimes fighting it only makes the issue worse. |
But considering the tendencies for perseveration in those on the spectrum, and the difficulty in changing those perseverative habits without intense intervention, don’t you worry that this strategy, while helpful for neurotypical kids, will backfire on yours?
I get that this is the only strategy your professional team has been able to come up with, but it doesn’t mean it’s the one best for your child. It might be the one best for the current societal culture, which as we know is often at odds for what our kids really need.
My neurodivergent child wanted to wear a dress in public. I said no, constantly. Neutral affect, no emotional input into the choice. Over time, the desire faded and he’s now a boy with a healthy desire for girls and also wears appropriate attire. I also controlled his surroundings and put him in schools that, while they weren’t on our religious wavelength, was therapeutically appropriate and kept him away from public school. The environment is key, which is why we keep harping on liberal propaganda. To see that it doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:21 pm
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | | Wrong. Mental health and physician associations forbid therapy other than gender affirming in 24 states. |
Well, every decent parent researches to find a therapist who can support their child without pushing in either direction. Therapists aren’t stupid, they know how to work around it. And it’s never the job of the therapist to “convince” a kid in any issue. therapy is not about pushing an agenda, rather it’s teaching a person to discover for themselves their own values and self- beliefs.
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giftedmom
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:22 pm
I think the whole obsession with trans ironically points to an obsession with the gender binary, with placing kids into boxes.
Girls can wear blue and play with cars without being labeled boys. Boys can play with dolls and enjoy sparkly things without transitioning into girls. Let children be. Let them play with whatever toys they like, wear whatever colors they like, without trying to alter their bodies for life.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:23 pm
| amother [ Caramel ] wrote: | But considering the tendencies for perseveration in those on the spectrum, and the difficulty in changing those perseverative habits without intense intervention, don’t you worry that this strategy, while helpful for neurotypical kids, will backfire on yours?
I get that this is the only strategy your professional team has been able to come up with, but it doesn’t mean it’s the one best for your child. It might be the one best for the current societal culture, which as we know is often at odds for what our kids really need.
My neurodivergent child wanted to wear a dress in public. I said no, constantly. Neutral affect, no emotional input into the choice. Over time, the desire faded and he’s now a boy with a healthy desire for girls and also wears appropriate attire. I also controlled his surroundings and put him in schools that, while they weren’t on our religious wavelength, was therapeutically appropriate and kept him away from public school. The environment is key, which is why we keep harping on liberal propaganda. To see that it doesn’t happen in a vacuum. |
Kudos, Caramel!
You saved your child from a lot of harm.
Had your child been in public school it would have been ILLEGAL for you to discourage
son's cross dressing!
Parental Rights have been abolished.
This also proves that a lot of this Trans stuff is because of social encouragement
and would fade away if not encouraged.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:26 pm
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There's no such thing as not pushing in either direction. Imagine "neutral" therapy for depression. "Let's explore your thoughts and feelings. Now, on the one hand, there might be hope for the future and reasons to live. On the other hand, maybe life has no purpose and despair is only logical? Which one would you say represents your personal truth? Both are perfectly valid, and whichever you choose, I'm here to support you."
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 3:26 pm
| chanatron1000 wrote: | | Some people might be falsely claiming to have gender dysphoria. Others don't claim to have it at all. They say that they have a gender identity other than "gender assigned at birth" and it doesn't cause them dysphoria but is their true self. |
Bingo. You just described gender dysphoria.
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