High school girls | Imamother

amother

Lightgray ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 1:26 am

I taught college, and I can tell you that Bais Yaakov girls were particularly weak at critical evaluation. If I asked a class which of two theories made more sense, or which might reflect a particular bias, the Bais Yaakov girls just stared blankly. They could memorize facts, but formulating opinions based on those facts was beyond almost all of them.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 1:44 am

amother [ Lightgray ] wrote:

Religious kids are taught not to question.

Just the facts, Ma'am.

DrMom

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 1:45 am

mushkamothers wrote:

I taught in high school. The girls aren't yeshiva bachurim there's no reason they're learning insane academics that are burning them out and making them hate it. Home ec is hardly peeling potatoes and mopping floors. BTW what did the aishes chayil do exactly... it wasn't a million gemers

Sounds like you have identified a real need to revamp the yeshiva system rather than the BY system.

Personally, I see no reason not to offer high-level kodesh classes to girls who are interested.

I did not attend BY, but in general, I think HS education would be enriched by emphasizing more:
- English (or other local language) composition
- Coding
- Statistics
- World History

amother

↑ Turquoise ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 1:53 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Religious kids are taught not to question.

Just the facts, Ma'am.

You are so so off. I’m really shocked at your extreme narrow mindedness.
All our students do is critical thinking and questioning.
I’m sorry that you had such a poor education, and raised your daughters the same,but don’t say blatant ridiculous lies.
Speak for your self. My students and daughters constantly question, ask and challenge.
As mentioned before, in their hashkafa classes they have full periods of questions and answer.
I taught in public school as well as frum schools.
My ps students didn’t have nearly as many opportunities for critical thinking as my by students. Most classes were straightvspir back.
You are describing a different religion then the one I’m raising my children in. Then the one I see every day in the schools I teach in.

amother

Obsidian ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 2:01 am

I went to a BY school. No one was burnt out from the learning as someone said. I think those subjects are important as a frum person who needs to live a Torah life and they teach excellent skills in general. We had classes on home economics, computers, design, bookkeeping, public speaking, middos, every secular subject in depth etc… The only thing that wasn’t covered that’s mentioned here was fixing bikes, not sure that’s realistic.

LovesHashem ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 2:04 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Religious kids are taught not to question.

Just the facts, Ma'am.

Judaism is literally all about questions. The gemara is a bunch of opinions and questions back and forth.

We just finished Pesach. The entire seder is about questions, we start with the Ma Nishtana.

Maybe you are thinking of Christianity......

↑ LovesHashem ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 2:06 am

DBT/Emotional Skills
Class about the basics in Emunah
Learning more interesting and uncommon sefarim. We learned Chovos Halevavos, which I really found more intellectually stimulating than a shuir.

↑ GLUE ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 2:19 am

amother [ Obsidian ] wrote:

I went a BY school I was burnt out from school because Chummash, Parsha, ect. it was not taught in English and I had very little idea what was going on so it was very boring and frustrating.
In High School when I was taught Chummash, Parsha, ect. in English suddenly the subjects were interesting.

Growing up my mother was,still is the bike lady of the neighborhood, every one cames to her to get their bike fixed. She did volunteer at a local girls high school to teach basic bike and car maintenance.They thought that was to weird to teach to girls, she argued that it is something that will save them money not to mention aggravation in the long run.

shabbatiscoming ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 2:58 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Religious kids are taught not to question.

Just the facts, Ma'am.

Where are you getting this? Maybe some sects or some specific parents dont want questioning, but questioning is very important for the growth of any human being.

I will say a good biology class as it seems from the various posts on the subject, that many girls leave school not really knowing 100% about their own bodies.

amother

↑ Obsidian ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 3:09 am

shabbatiscoming wrote:

We learned biology in depth and it didn’t cover the female parts in detail. Not sure you mean actual biology class…

amother

↑ Lightgray ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 3:12 am

amother [ Obsidian ] wrote:

We learned biology in depth and it didn’t cover the female parts in detail. Not sure you mean actual biology class…

So include the female reproductive system in the biology curriculum. Why not?

amother

↑ Obsidian ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 3:12 am

GLUE wrote:

Why did you have very little idea what was gong on? What language was it taught in Hebrew? I’ve never heard of a school not translating the words as they go through it that’s part of the learning. Usually you start with the basics in younger grades and move up. Unless a kid has a learning disability or is a weak student most of the class is keeping up and knows what’s going on.

amother

↑ Lightgray

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 3:22 am

amother [ Obsidian ] wrote:

So you mean a s-x Ed class?

At the very least, get the basics of anatomy and reproduction. That's biology. S-x Ed is a much broader subject, I would think.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 3:33 am

amother [ Obsidian ] wrote:

We learned biology in depth and it didn’t cover the female parts in detail. Not sure you mean actual biology class…

Im sorry but if you didnt learn about the female 2ex organs in depth then no, you did not have an in depth biology class.

amother

Glitter ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 3:56 am

Love the fixing bike's idea
- How to jump a car
- Coding (like others said) I did go to BY and did get some coding btw
- Financial literacy
In my BY we had everything everyone mentioned- Civics, World History, high level English including AP, obviously a million kodesh classes, Hashkafa, high level Math, Phtoshop basics, computers etc etc etc. I think all mainstream BY's include a very well rounded education these days. But now as a mom in my 30's I would love to know how to fix a bike or jump a car without relying on my 13 year old son.

amother

↑ Glitter

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 4:00 am

mushkamothers wrote:

Unpopular opinion: none of that should be taught. They should learn skills for actually running a home and having a career and healthy relationships.

Can you elaborate? Don't you think a very well rounded education is generally prerequisite to having a career? A business owner needs Math, English, etc. How will our girls know what direction they want to take in terms of career choice's if they haven't been exposed to science, history, etc. Are you saying to cut out all kodesh classes? I can't imagine a single person on this site actually thinks thats a good idea from the most modern orthrodox to the most right wing.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 4:19 am

mushkamothers wrote:

Unpopular opinion: none of that should be taught. They should learn skills for actually running a home and having a career and healthy relationships.

This is something that is taught, by default, by living at home, with one's family and seeing what parents do and being given responsibilities in the home/family. Not in school.

↑ LovesHashem ↓

Fri, Apr 29 2022, 4:38 am

shabbatiscoming wrote:

This is something that is taught, by default, by living at home, with one's family and seeing what parents do and being given responsibilities in the home/family. Not in school.

Not everyone is taught this. Home ec can be incredibly helpful for girls from dysfunctional homes....