New community forming in Eretz Yisroel!!!!!

↑ champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 12:11 am

Mermaidinexile wrote:

....?

Why is this even necessary? There's literally a million wonderful communities in "eretz yisroel". If people are moving to Israel, why not take the opportunity to look at yiddishkeit outside your NJ cul-de-sac?

Really A MILLION???
Where can a yeshivish family go if they want decent housing for an affordable price??
Go.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 12:17 am

WhatFor wrote:

I guess I'm thinking of Gush Katif, but you're right that doesn't happen often.

And yes, renting would be a good way to start. I guess it's strange to me because of the difference in types of people I know from Lakewood vs the West Bank. It just seems like apples and oranges. But I wish success to anyone making aaliyah!

But thats just it. Maale amos is not a dati leumi community. Its over the green line just like beitar is. And they are both charedi communities. There is not one type of jew living in the shtachim. You have to change your view on that.

↑ champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 12:17 am

cutestbaby wrote:

This is getting weirder and weirder...
Is your husband the one behind this community? Lol

Its not weird.
There is a slow shift happening in the very yeshivish/heimish communities in north america. Aliya is not part of the education and sometimes even looked down on. The people that go for it in these communities with families are going against a tide. Bringing the topic up on a communal level in these places will bring a lot of opposition.

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↑ champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 12:25 am

shabbatiscoming wrote:

This!
Also MA might be small but it has been for a while. maybe even 20-25 years and the Rav there is a really understanding and special person.
Disclaimer: I DONT live there and have nothing to gain from this project.
I am just appalled and shocked beyond words.
North american yeshivish aliya is starting. The time has come, they are not all going to move to maalot dafna and RBS.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 12:29 am

champion wrote:

Same. And Im not in the charedi world at all. But know a few families who live there. And they are lovely.
I looked at the history of the yishuv. It statred in 1981, so its 40 years old Smile

↑ champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 12:33 am

shabbatiscoming wrote:

Same. And Im not in the charedi world at all. But know a few families who live there. And they are lovely.
I looked at the history of the yishuv. It statred in 1981, so its 40 years old Smile

That makes sense. I actually know some second generation kids (now adults) from MA. All lovely people.

↑ DrMom

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 12:38 am

I think the advertisement should be more clear, but overall, I think it's a great idea.

I have long heard so many yeshivish posters here saying they might be interested in making aliyah, but are concerned about the lack of yeshivish communities in E"Y outside of BS/RBS, and they will be forced to chose between haredi or DL hashkafot in order to fit in somewhere.

I always thought, "Well if there are so many people who think that way, why don't they come en masse and establish their own community where they can live according to their own hashkafa?"

If this is an attempt to do that, then kol hakavod to their "If you build it, they will come" approach. Applause

etky ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 1:45 am

champion wrote:

I cannot believe the attitude on this thread.
Maale Amos is an intimate close knit community Yeshivish community with a very involved Rav. Not a place for everybody, but amazing for people that fit in.
Aliya in the north american yeshivish community hasn't been popular for many many years but there is a growing trend of Yeshivish people that are actually waking up.
My personal impression is that this project is actually catering for the more yeshivish crowd in lakewood (the type that actually lived in lakewood before the traffic...)so you can stop mocking their need for gashmiyus and restaurants now. That is actually what they don't want.
RBS is not for all of them for a variety of reasons. They need more options. As a nation we WANT there to be more options available!
Of course everybody should do their research before moving but the negativety on this thread is frying my braind. ESPECIALLY from people who actually live here.

This.
I think it has great potential, that it is far from being a weird or even novel proposition (and yes, as a resident of Efrat, Rabbi Riskin and first inhabitants of Efrat from NY, Cleveland and South Africa immediately came to mind) and that of course people should do their homework and not just come like children following the Pied Piper.
And like Dr. Mom said - how many times have we heard the lament here on Imamother that there is no appropriate yeshivish community for Americans to make aliya to?
This might be a perfect opportunity!

↑ WhatFor ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 3:09 am

champion wrote:

In your next post you say you're shocked and appalled that people are surprised that someone is advertising a new settlement for a "Lakewood" community. Why is it surprising, given the general community values, which you acknowledge here?

If Lakewood people want to do it, good for them. But people are reasonably expressing surprise that someone is advertising specifically for the Lakewood community. For the reasons you literally quoted right here.

↑ Reality ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 3:24 am

WhatFor wrote:

Because the times are a-changing.

Many people who never thought about aliyah (except in the abstract when mashiach comes) are now seeing it's not so great in the US anymore.

I'm not from Lakewood. But in my old Brooklyn community in the last few years talking about aliyah became much more common. Not so many people have actually made aliyah yet but it's a change in mindset.

↑ champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 3:24 am

WhatFor wrote:

I am not appalled by the surprise people expressed.
I would use other words to describe some posts in the beggining of this thread.

chanchy123 ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 3:37 am

I haven’t read through all the posts but here’s some info on Maale Amos, it is absolutely 15 minutes by car to Efrat medical center (but sometimes there can be traffic) and 30 minutes (or less) to Talpiyot - big industrial and shopping district in Yerushalayim - about 45 minutes to center of town - however as with any place in Israel - factor in added time for traffic during rush hour (but you can’t escape traffic anywhere here). Also it’s about 20 to the shopping center in the Gush.
There is regular public transportation to Beitar and JLM.
There is an existing beis Yaakov and Talmud Torah.
According to the ad, they are planning to establish new English speaking schools.
I find it funny that imamothers who live over the green line are poopooing Maale Amos for being dangerous. Living over the green line (and within the green line) does have its challenges, but ultimately the feeling of literally living in the land of our forefathers cannot be beaten.
I for one hope this project is successful and brings many Jews to the land of Judea to lead a Torah lifestyle.

iyar

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 3:47 am

A community in Israel catering to any group of olim is a great idea. The problem is that it’s a business venture like any other and the people promoting it need to be honest about the product they’re offering. If this is about Maale Amos and they’re presenting it as centrally located and close to Yerushalayim, which it’s not - there’s the problem. There are ads for a new development under construction in Yerushalayim that I’ve seen. The ads have an illustration that shows the new development, another landmark and “The Kosel”. Every chutznik will look at the ad and love the idea of buying an apartment so close to the Kotel. Except that if you’re even slightly familiar with Yerushalayim you know that the Kotel is nowhere near the spot they put it. Trying to lure buyers with dishonest ads isn’t a new invention but it’s one you’d have hoped not to come across in that part of the world.

↑ champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 3:53 am

chanchy123 wrote:

Another fun fact,
Meitzad is another Charedi Yishuv that neighbors with Maale Amos.
Meitzad has gone through a couple transformations over the years but today is a bit more convensional israeli charedi than Maale amos.
There are much more hebrew speakers and less guidance by one specific rav. Although compaired to BB or JM, the people there are more laid back.

Meitzad also has elementary schools but some kids from Meitzad come into the school in MA.
Meitzad is also growing and expanding and the vast majority of the people moving in are graduates of the charedi schools.

mommy2379

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 4:00 am

iyar wrote:

I saw that ad and was furious. A complete and total lie. How do these people get away with blatant lies???

[Note: this is not the ad for Maale Amos that's being discussed here - mod]

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↑ etky ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 4:07 am

iyar wrote:

In my book Ma'ale Amos is fairly close to Yerushalayim.
Maybe not 'centrally located' though,but anyone looking at a map can see that.

↑ champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 4:09 am

mommy2379 wrote:

OMG I saw that ad and was furious. A complete and total lie. How do these people get away with blatant lies???

[Note: this is not the ad for Maale Amos that's being discussed here - mod]

Clearly states that it is a VILLAGE in harei yehuda aprx. 30 min from jm.(Anybody who reads village and 30 min, but still pictures ketzefet in Geula has nobody but himself to blame)
Clearly states that it is NOT a business venture.

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↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 4:11 am

iyar wrote:

I think its about 30 minutes to jlem. Thats pretty close. And the raod you need to take to get there is usually not too congested, so that really is 30 minutes.
And about dishonest ads, we can hope that anyone interested in any new project will do their own research and not just buy into it from one advert or poster.

↑ LovesHashem ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 4:17 am

champion wrote:

Clearly states that it is a VILLAGE in harei yehuda 30 min from jm.(Anybody who reads village and 30 min, but still pictures ketzefet in Geula has nobody but himself to blame)
Clearly states that it is NOT a business venture.

According to google maps its 35-50 minutes from Talpiot - still need to get to the rest of Jerusalem as well.