I think it's really open-ended. I just checked the Israeli news sites and they think so too, although OTOH they feel it would be shocking if the show killed off their star actress.
I guess we won't know till season 4.
1) As you said, it's open to interpretation, I'm sharing how I interpreted it and pointing out that they did actually interact with her - when you go and visit someone in the hospital and you see their new baby, you're generally looking at the baby, not the mother, as soon as you see them and talking as though the the baby is the only one in the room.
2) I wouldn't be surprised if they need to think twice about whether or not they can afford Shira Haas for further seasons (if there even will be, this felt pretty series finale like) because she's an Emmy and Golden Globe nominated actress, which changes things - ESPECIALLY if she ends up winning the Golden Globe.
1) As you said, it's open to interpretation, I'm sharing how I interpreted it and pointing out that they did actually interact with her - when you go and visit someone in the hospital and you see their new baby, you're generally looking at the baby, not the mother, as soon as you see them and talking as though the the baby is the only one in the room.
2) I wouldn't be surprised if they need to think twice about whether or not they can afford Shira Haas for further seasons (if there even will be, this felt pretty series finale like) because she's an Emmy and Golden Globe nominated actress, which changes things - ESPECIALLY if she ends up winning the Golden Globe.
I agree this is most plausible. They left it ambiguous so if they can't get Shira Haas for the next season (if there is one) they can have her die in childbirth. If she's available and accepts what they can pay her they'll definitely want to bring their star back, otherwise Chanina will be raising a little orphan like his uncle (by marriage) was doing in season 3. So the screenwriters themselves don't know yet if Ruchami died. Even Shira Haas doesn't know.
I think we imamothers should collaborate and help out by writing the screenplay for season 4, episode 1. First of all we have to have a flashback of the accident that led to Libi's death with her mother. Anyone else is welcome to add whatever else they want....
I think it's really open-ended. I just checked the Israeli news sites and they think so too, although OTOH they feel it would be shocking if the show killed off their star actress.
I guess we won't know till season 4.
I dont think there is going to be a season 4. There was not even going to be a season 3. Season 2 ended over 5 years ago. They only made a season 3 because of how popular the show was from being on netflix.
I found some old clips on YouTube last night, and it then took me to this interview with the cast done in English. Out of all of them, the actress playing Gitty was the most anti-dati, and it was difficult to watch.
What continually surprises me is how separate the secular and the dati are in Israel, and how ignorant they are of each other's lives. I feel enmeshed in everyone's culture here in America, how is it that it's so different there?
Yes after three seasons of dead people showing up in scenes with the living I keep on wondering. Maybe that is exactly the point the producer is trying to make.
Wow. I totally did not think about that. Gonna have to watch it again.
I found some old clips on YouTube last night, and it then took me to this interview with the cast done in English. Out of all of them, the actress playing Gitty was the most anti-dati, and it was difficult to watch.
What continually surprises me is how separate the secular and the dati are in Israel, and how ignorant they are of each other's lives. I feel enmeshed in everyone's culture here in America, how is it that it's so different there?
Anyway, not sure if this should be a side S/O.
It is quite jolting to see what these people look like in real life, especially the women, who are usually dressed in sleeveless and low cut neckline.
Maybe I am weird, but I keep thinking that as long as Chanina, Shulem, kiva, Lipa and Yossela were in their costumes, they were fulfilling a mitzvas Aseh by wearing tzitzis. (I assume they are kosher). Every second they were fulfilling the positive commandment of tzitzis. Also, they got a mitzva every time someone made a brocha (although possibly they had to redo it several times which resulted in brachos levatala. )
So that makes me smile.
On the other hand, I got a bit nervous from the chupa scene, because possibly al pi halacha, that may have been a kosher kiddushin?
It is quite jolting to see what these people look like in real life, especially the women, who are usually dressed in sleeveless and low cut neckline.
Maybe I am weird, but I keep thinking that as long as Chanina, Shulem, kiva, Lipa and Yossela were in their costumes, they were fulfilling a mitzvas Aseh by wearing tzitzis. (I assume they are kosher). Every second they were fulfilling the positive commandment of tzitzis. Also, they got a mitzva every time someone made a brocha (although possibly they had to redo it several times which resulted in brachos levatala. )
So that makes me smile.
On the other hand, I got a bit nervous from the chupa scene, because possibly al pi halacha, that may have been a kosher kiddushin?
How could it have been a kosher kiddushin? Their real names were not being used and Im sure there was no real ketuba and Im sure they made sure to have other things be not 100% kosher.
I found some old clips on YouTube last night, and it then took me to this interview with the cast done in English. Out of all of them, the actress playing Gitty was the most anti-dati, and it was difficult to watch.
What continually surprises me is how separate the secular and the dati are in Israel, and how ignorant they are of each other's lives. I feel enmeshed in everyone's culture here in America, how is it that it's so different there?
Anyway, not sure if this should be a side S/O.
Israel is made up of extremes. Not all secular and dati are ignorant of each other's lives. But there are so many things that make each group hate or dislike or not agree with the other's lives that this is how it is. But it is definitely not everyone.
I found some old clips on YouTube last night, and it then took me to this interview with the cast done in English. Out of all of them, the actress playing Gitty was the most anti-dati, and it was difficult to watch.
What continually surprises me is how separate the secular and the dati are in Israel, and how ignorant they are of each other's lives. I feel enmeshed in everyone's culture here in America, how is it that it's so different there?
Anyway, not sure if this should be a side S/O.
I don't know how much time you've spent in Israel. I can't speak for different parts of Europe- UK, France, Belgium, Hungary, parts of the former USSR, and for countries in the rest of the world- Australia, South Africa, Brazil etc. I can speak about Jews in the US and in Israel. The mentality is very different. You will find Jews in the US complaining that their group or sect isn't being respected by others. Even here on imamother you'll find women complaining that they're MO or Chassidim and they're not getting the right kind of consideration. Still you don't find the kind of anger at different groups or mocking and putting down of parts of society that you find in Israel. Being anti-dati is part of the general mindset. There are many reasons for it and I'm not going to get into all of them. It starts with chareidim not going to the army even though they have their reasons for that. It means you understandably have resentment from, for example, a mother who lost a son in a battle while chareidi boys his age were sitting at home. We may know their Torah study is keeping everyone alive but that doesn't do anything to dull her pain. There's a lot more. Let's just say I'm not surprised Neta Riskin doesn't like the type of person she portrayed in Shtisel. Maybe as you suggested this does need a S/O.
Israel is made up of extremes. Not all secular and dati are ignorant of each other's lives. But there are so many things that make each group hate or dislike or not agree with the other's lives that this is how it is. But it is definitely not everyone.
I'm curious what you think of this, being an Israeli;
At some point, it seemed like the interviewer was determined to call out hareidim for their stance on the army, and this Michael Aloni actor wasn't having it. I love that he said, "it's not my job to solve all the problems, I just act." or I'm paraphrasing.
Israel is made up of extremes. Not all secular and dati are ignorant of each other's lives. But there are so many things that make each group hate or dislike or not agree with the other's lives that this is how it is. But it is definitely not everyone.
You're right shabbatiscoming. I didn't mean to say it's everyone. But it does exist. There are secular Jews growing up in parts of Israel who know much less about Jewish laws and customs than your average non-Jewish person riding the train in NYC. It's also unusual to find in Baltimore, Miami or Chicago a non-practicing Jew who hates his Shomer Shabbos neighbor or colleague as much as the same type would hate the chareidi walking past him in the street in Israel. A chareidi in any of the US cities I mentioned wouldn't dream of throwing garbage or racial slurs at the mechalel Shabbos Jews in his town for any reason, which is maybe not common but certainly happens in Israel. The divide within the Torah observant Jewish community in Israel between different groups is also more pronounced and you'll find greater intolerance.
I'm curious what you think of this, being an Israeli;
At some point, it seemed like the interviewer was determined to call out hareidim for their stance on the army, and this Michael Aloni actor wasn't having it. I love that he said, "it's not my job to solve all the problems, I just act." or I'm paraphrasing.
He also recently defended accusations of Charedim not following covid restrictions by replying that it's not a charedi problem, there are so many parties etc in Tel Aviv.
I'm curious what you think of this, being an Israeli;
At some point, it seemed like the interviewer was determined to call out hareidim for their stance on the army, and this Michael Aloni actor wasn't having it. I love that he said, "it's not my job to solve all the problems, I just act." or I'm paraphrasing.
Sorry but Im not going to watch an interview thats over an hour
I like shtisel, but not enough to watch an interview.
But as I said above, not all secular israelis hate charedim and not all charedim hate all secular people.
You're right shabbatiscoming. I didn't mean to say it's everyone. But it does exist. There are secular Jews growing up in parts of Israel who know much less about Jewish laws and customs than your average non-Jewish person riding the train in NYC. It's also unusual to find in Baltimore, Miami or Chicago a non-practicing Jew who hates his Shomer Shabbos neighbor or colleague as much as the same type would hate the chareidi walking past him in the street in Israel. A chareidi in any of the US cities I mentioned wouldn't dream of throwing garbage or racial slurs at the mechalel Shabbos Jews in his town for any reason, which is maybe not common but certainly happens in Israel. The divide within the Torah observant Jewish community in Israel between different groups is also more pronounced and you'll find greater intolerance.
OK, so you are talking about out of israel and israel. THE difference or THE biggest issue that brings hatred, yes hatred, from other israelis/jews to their charedi brethren is the issue of the army.
That is the starting point of the discourse. After that there are other reasons too, but that is unfortunately where it all starts. That issue does not exist outside of israel.
OK, so you are talking about out of israel and israel. THE difference or THE biggest issue that brings hatred, yes hatred, from other israelis/jews to their charedi brethren is the issue of the army.
That is the starting point of the discourse. After that there are other reasons too, but that is unfortunately where it all starts. That issue does not exist outside of israel.
its just a pretext. nobody expresses hate at israeli arabs although they are not in the army and not going to join it like ever. also I just recently watched an Israeli film where a main (pregnant, chiloni leftie) character casually says: „Obviously I am not going to let my future child join the army“ and it seems like a normal thing... so army is just a pretext
its just a pretext. nobody expresses hate at israeli arabs although they are not in the army and not going to join it like ever. also I just recently watched an Israeli film where a main (pregnant, chiloni leftie) character casually says: „Obviously I am not going to let my future child join the army“ and it seems like a normal thing... so army is just a pretext
OK, first of all, do you live here in Israel? I know what I am talking about. It is not just a pretext, I promise.
Second, a israeli arabs go to the army. Any israeli citizen is called up, not just jewish israelis. There ar also christians in the israeli army as well.
And of course its not just the charedi population that dont go to the army. I will say that anyone who doesnt go to the army is looked down upon.
But it is also the reason why the charedim dont go that spurs the hatred.
