nogidske is feminitive from nogid (neged =against) and it‘s a good thing
Shulem says that he need a nogid because the heder has debts. A nogid is someone who would be „against“ - if you ask for 10000 he will say no I am against it I give you a million
So when Nechama told him that she won in a lottery he is saying I see you have an appearance of a nogidske
nogidske is feminitive from nogid (neged =against) and it‘s a good thing
Shulem says that he need a nogid because the heder has debts. A nogid is someone who would be „against“ - if you ask for 10000 he will say no I am against it I give you a million
So when Nechama told him that she won in a lottery he is saying I see you have an appearance of a nogidske
I thought that Elisheva said 6 months because she wanted Akiva to feel like it was going to happen, and he didn't want to wait that long -- like it was unheard of to him to have to wait that long.
No. To the best of my recollection (though I haven't watched that episode in a long while), it was Akiva who proposed the scheme of getting engaged for the sake of the engagement and not for marriage. Elisheva flat out refused to get married again, but she definitely had feelings for Akiva. Akiva knew she did, and he proposed that they get engaged so that they can spend 6 months together without having to worry about being seen together (which would otherwise be inappropriate). After 6 months, they would "break" the engagement and go their own separate ways. Meanwhile, after some time, things got a bit too heated and Akiva felt very frustrated with the engagement that was going nowhere. (I imagine that when Akiva proposed the fake engagement he was secretly hoping that with time, Elisheva would come around and agree to get married. )
In any case, it was definitely Akiva who proposed 6 months and Elisheva went along with it. This gives us the idea that 6 months is an average time for an engagement in those circles.
No. To the best of my recollection (thought I haven't watched that episode in a long while), it was Akiva who proposed the scheme of getting engaged for the sake of the engagement and not for marriage. Elisheva flat out refused to get married again, but she definitely had feelings for Akiva. Akiva knew she did, and he proposed that they get engaged so that they can spend 6 months together without having to worry about being seen together (which would otherwise be inappropriate). After 6 months, they would "break" the engagement.m and go theor own separate ways. Meanwhile, after some time, things got a bit too heated and Akiva felt very frustrated with the engagement that was going nowhere. (I imagine that when Akiva proposed the fake engagement he was secretly hoping that with time, Elisheva would come around and agree to get married. )
In any case, it was definitely Akiva who proposed 6 months and Elisheva went along with it. This gives us the idea that 6 months is an average time for an engagement in those circles.
that‘s exactly how it was. Although 6 months seems to be a maximum because during the wort itself mesader kidushin is saying in a month or something like this and Kive is trying to negotiate
here are some of my observations (sorry if they were mentioned already)
Yossele pronounces Torah as Tayreh but this is so unrealistic. It's extremely litvish to pronounce Torah like that and as far as I know, no young bochurim speak like that anymore especially ones with long payos
Yerushalmis also don't go on dates in hotel lobbies or to museums. They meet in houses.
Yossele has a really strong interest in insects and biology. Seems he was a good bochur beforehand. I'm not saying that a good bochur can't have an interest in other things than learning but after meeting the first Shira it seems to have overtaken him and you don't see him learning much.
When giti tells Yossele that you're young and are excited about this girl, but we'll find a better girl for you, it's the same thing her mother told her after meeting Lipa. Maybe that's why she's so upset about this shidduch in addition to the cultural thing. She doesn't want her kids to be unhappily married kind of like her.
Akiva in real life wouldn't go into a girl/woman's house and start crying about his problems that his daughter was taken away. They always leave the door open for yichud reasons which is the halacha but that's not the point. Mainstream men and women just don't socialize alone in a house, doors opened or not.
The board of Shulem's cheder consists of both yeshivish and chassidish men. Strange. yes we all would love to work together but in real life a school board would be made up of a homogeneous group not chassidim, yerushalmim and litvaks together.
At the school dinner which as someone mentioned doesn't take place in Israeli chadorim, the women's table is made up of women wearing all different head coverings. This again wouldn't happen in Meah shearim.
That's all for now, I'm sure there is more...
All of your observations basically have one theme. I may be wrong, but I think you are looking at Yerushalmim as if they are chassidim and applying rules that would be true for chassidim to this scenario. (This was already discussed many pages ago.)
There are many Yerushalmim that are from the Talmidei Hagra. They are Litvaks who dress similar to Chassidim. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rav Shalom Schwadron zt"l are examples of Yerushalmim who wore shtreimels, etc, but were not Chassidim.
They definitely would say Tayra.
I don't know if it's true that Yerushalmim wouldn't meet in hotel lobbies, and again my assumption is that since chassidim would only meet in houses, you are applying that to Yerushalmim.
I found that Chareidim from Benei Brak and Yerushalmim consist of clean shaven guys who look like regular Litvaks, and others who look more like the Shtisels. So I dont think a diverse school parent body would be unusual.
But maybe someone who knows more about this community can chime in.
A naggid or noggid as the shtisels pronounce it is an important, wealthy person like Shmuel Hanaggid who lived in Spain a thousand years ago. Negidim are the members of high society. There might be connection to the verb lehaggid- to tell, but no connection to negged- against. When Shulem called Nechama a nogidste he was adding a Yiddish suffix to a Hebrew word to make it feminine. Bobe did the same thing adding a Yiddish suffix to kelev- dog when she called Menucha a klavte when Shulem brought his kallah to meet his mom in season 2. We're complaining about how Shtisel's writers aren't getting the Yerushalmi habits right but this is authentic and fits in with the way they mix up the two languages they're most familiar with.
another thing that I thought would happen was when Yossele left his present from Shira on the table and Giti and Lipa had the argument in the bedroom. Giti or Lipa would wake up in the morning thinking that the gift was from the other to make up and then things would get resolved. Shame!!
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I found this scenario very unlikely. They went to sleep angry at each other. When would they have had a chance to buy a gift before the morning? It's clear that Gitty was still in nightclothes when she found it. And Lipa was in pajamas as well.
Also, maybe it's just me, but this idea of leaving a surprise gift on the dining room table to make up for a spat seems like very shana rishona-ish. Lipa amd Gitty are married for 25 years.
And by the way, upthread we were talking about the unlikelihood of Libby and Akiva being married for almost 5 years and having only one 18 month old. It occurred to me that in the same vein, that its just as unlikely that the oldest child of Lipa and Gitty, who are married for 25 years, is 21.
I think the producers made a mistake in this area. Chareidim generally have babies very soon after their wedding.
in previous season Shulem says that the girl that Sucher broke engagement with is already going to marrying off grandchildren, so she was married
Lav davka.
Shulem is a notorious liar. He makes up stuff whenever it suits him. It could be that he had no idea what became of Sucher's kalla, but just said that to convince Akiva not to break off with Esti.
But since Nechama is wearing a shaitel, it does seem that she was once married.
nogidske is feminitive from nogid (neged =against) and it‘s a good thing
Shulem says that he need a nogid because the heder has debts. A nogid is someone who would be „against“ - if you ask for 10000 he will say no I am against it I give you a million
So when Nechama told him that she won in a lottery he is saying I see you have an appearance of a nogidske
Uh...I dont think that is what nogidsta means at all. At least not the simple meaning of the word. A Nogid in this context would be like a magnate or philanthropist. A naggid, (like Shmuel Hanagid who was a prince in Babylonia) would be an important personage. He was looking for a wealthy, influential person, a "nogid" to support the cheider. When he heard that Nechama came into big money, he changed it to the feminine version of Nagidske.
A naggid or noggid as the shtisels pronounce it is an important, wealthy person like Shmuel Hanaggid who lived in Spain a thousand years ago. Negidim are the members of high society. There might be connection to the verb lehaggid- to tell, but no connection to negged- against. When Shulem called Nechama a nogidste he was adding a Yiddish suffix to a Hebrew word to make it feminine. Bobe did the same thing adding a Yiddish suffix to kelev- dog when she called Menucha a klavte when Shulem brought his kallah to meet his mom in season 2. We're complaining about how Shtisel's writers aren't getting the Yerushalmi habits right but this is authentic and fits in with the way they mix up the two languages they're most familiar with.
All this dissecting of Shtisel episodes down to the expressions used by the characters has me wondering- do any of you think Yonatan Indursky has discovered us yet?
Do you think he ever stops in here to read what we're saying?
If you could tell him or ask him one thing, what would it be?
