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Scotty

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 10:29 pm

I think we're missing the point here.

The issue at hand is not necessarily how Fox's daughter was ejected from the plane, rightfully or wrongfully (though that is extremely upsetting). Delta and Fox and imamother can argue from today until tomorrow exactly how many centimeters the girl's mask was or was not on her nose, and at the end of the day Delta's actions were not illegal (albeit horrendous customer service).

The issue at hand is that the Delta representative (flight attendant)
USED RELIGION-SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO IDENTIFY AND BERATE AN INDIVIDUAL.

Ms. Green could have expressed her ire/annoyance/horror at masks, covid, et al with forceful, even angry language, and while it may have been bad customer service, it would not have been against the law.

BUT by identifying the girl as a Jew, by directing her anger at the girl's RELIGIOUS ORIENTATION (including comments to other members of the same religion) and RELIGIOUS ACTIONS - WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND (aka, the wearing/or not wearing of masks - and the claim that a siddur is serving to hide a mask is absurd and bizarre), Ms. Green herself made the issue about the girl's ethnicity, religion, and identity, and THAT is a legally actionable offense.

If Ms. Green had berated a passenger by insulting their gender identity you'd better believe Delta would be painting their planes in rainbows by now in groveling apology.

↑ ExtraCredit ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 10:29 pm

crust wrote:

Not terrible. Its always the same 3 or 4 people.
Shebchol thread v'thread omdim alenu....

Veha’crust מצילינו מידם

↑ ExtraCredit ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 10:36 pm

Scotty wrote:

Absolutely. If it wouldn’t be a Jew you can be sure that fires would burn, looters would loot, rioters would protest...

amother

Tangerine

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 10:39 pm

emma07 wrote:

Wow just wow... I now truly believe want my friend told me who was on that flight!

What is wrong with you? Did you need to say this ridiculous comment? What did Fox say that triggered this type of behavior?

↑ ExtraCredit ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 10:41 pm

amother [ Tangerine ] wrote:

What is wrong with you? Did you need to say this ridiculous comment? What did Fox say that triggered this type of behavior?

I’m afraid the stewardess found her way onto imamother. Wait, her name was Green right?

amother

↑ Wine

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 10:46 pm

emma07 looks like you had a pretty bad day today

↑ CrazyDaisie ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 10:59 pm

emma07 wrote:

Wow just wow... I now truly believe want my friend told me who was on that flight!

I would love to hear from witnesses.

↑ ExtraCredit ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:01 pm

CrazyDaisie wrote:

I would love to hear from witnesses.

Fox would too! What

amother

↑ Peach ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:17 pm

ExtraCredit wrote:

Absolutely. If it wouldn’t be a Jew you can be sure that fires would burn, looters would loot, rioters would protest...

I dont deny that there was antisemitism here. But the same thing has happened to nonJews. Just google 'Delta-mask- passsenger' type of search and see most of the results are not Jews.

↑ ExtraCredit ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:21 pm

amother [ Peach ] wrote:

I dont deny that there was antisemitism here. But the same thing has happened to nonJews. Just google 'Delta-mask- passsenger' type of search and see most of the results are not Jews.

No one’s denying that. But on this forum we discuss stories that happened to Jews. Especially if it’s one of our fellow ima’s daughter!

↑ DrMom ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:31 pm

Even if the passenger was in the wrong, the "you and your prayer book" comment was uncalled for and suggestive of anti-Jewish (or anti-religious) bias.

↑ CrazyDaisie ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:38 pm

amother [ Peach ] wrote:

I dont deny that there was antisemitism here. But the same thing has happened to nonJews. Just google 'Delta-mask- passsenger' type of search and see most of the results are not Jews.

Yes, indeed.

https://abcnews.go.com/Busines.....15553

I suppose this incident was an expression of general nervousness.

amother

↑ Peach ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:39 pm

ExtraCredit wrote:

No one’s denying that. But on this forum we discuss stories that happened to Jews. Especially if it’s one of our fellow ima’s daughter!

Yes, I was just replying to the person who said if it happened to a nonJew there would be looting in the streets.
It has happened to nonJews.

amother

↑ Peach ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:41 pm

DrMom wrote:

Even if the passenger was in the wrong, the "you and your prayer book" comment was uncalled for and suggestive of anti-Jewish (or anti-religious) bias.

Agree 100%.

↑ ExtraCredit ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:43 pm

amother [ Peach ] wrote:

Yes, I was just replying to the person who said if it happened to a nonJew there would be looting in the streets.
It has happened to nonJews.

Oh. I also said that.
Got it.

↑ DrMom

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:46 pm

Airlines occasionally are very heavy-handed in their treatment of passengers. Remember the doctor who was literally dragged off the plane because the airline decided at the last minute (after the doctor was already seated) to bump him in order to make room for an employee?

↑ CrazyDaisie ↓

Mon, Dec 07 2020, 11:54 pm

DrMom wrote:

I'm wondering if those people who are on the no fly list for non-compliance with mask wearing will be taken off automatically once Covid19 is over.

amother

Linen

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 12:07 am

DrMom wrote:

I just read he got $140 million! But his two front teeth were knocked out, and he needed some kind of sinus surgery.

↑ emma07 ↓

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 3:04 am

Jealous of what???me not agreeing in everything doesn’t mean I am jealous! I can make my own mind instead of just blindly follow because she is foxes daughter 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️ [quote="amother [ Wine ]"]

CrazyDaisie wrote:

What Emma07 wrote was not a personal attack. She just stated a fact.[/quo

it totaly doesnt come in....why be so negative?....usually ppl say such things from jealousy

↑ nchr

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 3:19 am

emma07 wrote:

Jealous of what???me not agreeing in everything doesn’t mean I am jealous! I can make my own mind instead of just blindly follow because she is foxes daughter 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Your attitude is horrible.
1. Her mother is on the board.
2. Your comments are personal attacks.
3. Your comments are in no way productive.

4. Maybe your friend was triggered from the entire experience? Personally, I've been outside shopping and seen mother's with babies crying in carriages and I become very annoyed with them too. Why? What's wrong with a mother pushing a carriage with a crying baby and continuing to shop? Just because I'd be embarrassed and run away, or because I wws taught rather stay home if you have a baby who will draw attention to you or if your highly pregnant to not disturb male shoppers doesn't mean I need to project my own issues onto women who are clearly just trying their best.

So, maybe your friend couldn't handle the embarrassment, or maybe she didn't like the scene of turning around the plane. Doesn't mean her version is correct. I could easily see myself being on this plane and feel angry with this woman and want to blame her. I even felt that way when I first read the thread, but I didn't. I just looked at the clip and it's pretty obvious this woman was trying her best in a difficult situation and was the victim of a rude flight attendant who has either heard some anti Jewish news lately or whatever. Just because your friend was there doesn't mean she is holy holy and cannot have her own reasons for saying something harsh.

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