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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:12 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
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6210001000

Hi


HAPPY COOKING.
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  ChanieMommy  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:14 pm
Here are the numbers written on the cards for the magic trick:
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1,3, ...:
Pattern: odd numbers

2,3, 6,7, 10,11, 14, 15, 18, 19
Pattern: start with two, write two consecutive numbers, skip two consecutive numbers

4, 5, 6,7, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23
Pattern. start with 4, write 4 consecutive numbers, skip 4 consecutive numbers

8-15, 24-31, 40-47,
Pattern: start with 8, write 8 consecutive numbers, skip 8 consecutive numbers

16-31, 48-63, 80-95
Pattern: start with 16, write 16 consecutive numbers, skip 16 consecuitve numbers

32-63, 95, 97, 98, 99, 100
Pattern: start with 32, write 32 consecutive numbers, skip 32 consecutive numbers...

64-100
Pattern: start at 64, write 64 consecutive numbers, but that would lead you all the way to 127, so stop at 100


And so the whole magic trick is nothing but a conversion into
Hidden: 

binary numbers...


Nice way of teaching this concept with a game...
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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:17 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
Here are the numbers written on the cards for the magic trick:
Hidden: 


1,3, ...:
Pattern: odd numbers

2,3, 6,7, 10,11, 14, 15, 18, 19
Pattern: start with two, write two consecutive numbers, skip two consecutive numbers

4, 5, 6,7, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23
Pattern. start with 4, write 4 consecutive numbers, skip 4 consecutive numbers

8-15, 24-31, 40-47,
Pattern: start with 8, write 8 consecutive numbers, skip 8 consecutive numbers

16-31, 48-63, 80-95
Pattern: start with 16, write 16 consecutive numbers, skip 16 consecuitve numbers

32-63, 95, 97, 98, 99, 100
Pattern: start with 32, write 32 consecutive numbers, skip 32 consecutive numbers...

64-100
Pattern: start at 64, write 64 consecutive numbers, but that would lead you all the way to 127, so stop at 100


And so the whole magic trick is nothing but a conversion into
Hidden: 

binary numbers...


Nice way of teaching this concept with a game...

I have no idea what binary numbers are. Wasn't taught in my school. That's why I couldn't get the answer to the chessboard riddle.
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  ChanieMommy  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:20 pm
Tamari wrote:
Wrong.
There are not Zero 8's in the first one or zero 9's in the second


Right

So I say:
Hidden: 

7'210'000'100
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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:21 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
Right

So I say:
Hidden: 

7'210'000'100


recount your zeroes
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  ChanieMommy  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:30 pm
Tamari wrote:
I have no idea what binary numbers are. Wasn't taught in my school. That's why I couldn't get the answer to the chessboard riddle.



It's when you have just 2 diffrent digits, 0 and1, and you have to express every number with 0 and 1

That's exactly what you do with this game...

if the number is on the card, it's a one, if it's not on the card, it's a zero...

So then you would write down whther your number is on the differnt cards, starting with card 1 on the right and going on with cards, 2, 3, etc. to the left...

1 is 1 (0r 0000001)
2 is 10 (or 0000010)
3 is 11 (or 0000011)
4 is 100 (or 0000100)
5 is 101
6 is 110
7 is 111
8 is 1000
9 is 1001
10 is 1010

96 is 1100000
(because you would find 96 just on card nr. 6 and 7)

100 is 1100100 (because you would find 100 on cards3, 6 and 7, starting with 4, 32 and 64)
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  ChanieMommy  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:32 pm
Tamari wrote:
recount your zeroes


oops so it is
Hidden: 

6'210'001'000
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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:41 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
It's when you have just 2 diffrent digits, 0 and1, and you have to express every number with 0 and 1

That's exactly what you do with this game...

if the number is on the card, it's a one, if it's not on the card, it's a zero...

So then you would write down whther your number is on the differnt cards, starting with card 1 on the right and going on with cards, 2, 3, etc. to the left...

1 is 1 (0r 0000001)
2 is 10 (or 0000010)
3 is 11 (or 0000011)
4 is 100 (or 0000100)
5 is 101
6 is 110
7 is 111
8 is 1000
9 is 1001
10 is 1010

96 is 1100000
(because you would find 96 just on card nr. 6 and 7)

100 is 1100100 (because you would find 100 on cards3, 6 and 7, starting with 4, 32 and 64)


Okay......so binary numbers between 128 and 256 will be represented by 8 digits, correct?
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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:43 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
oops so it is
Hidden: 

6'210'001'000


Very Happy
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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 3:50 pm
Tamari wrote:
Okay......so binary numbers between 128 and 256 will be represented by 8 digits, correct?


Actually, 256 needs a 9th one already... it'll be 100000000?
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  ChanieMommy  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 4:28 pm
Tamari wrote:
Actually, 256 needs a 9th one already... it'll be 100000000?


Yes, 128 to 255 have 8 digits...

and they nomally start with 0y

so: 0 to 1 (2 numbers - ) one digit
2-3: two digits
4-7; three digits...


And it always changes at powers of 2...
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  ChanieMommy  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 5:07 pm
So back to the circuit breaker riddle... If you had the good fortune that they were arranged in neat rows of 8 under each other I.e. 8 columns , 13 rows, you could do this:

Number them from 0 to 99 in binary

Then switch on every second column (skip the first, switch on the second, etc..) Those are the odd numbers, like card 1 in our magic trick
Note which lights are on.(1 for on, 0 for off, last digit of your 7 digit number)

then switch two columns to off, the next two to on, etc... This would be card 2, (start with 2, switch 2 on, 2 off) Go through house, note results.

Then switch off four columns, four columns on - that's card 3, starting with 4...

Then switch off the first row, swtich the seond row on, the third row off, fourth on, etc... that's card 4, starting with 8

Then switch rows 1 and 2 to off, 3 & 4 to on, 5&6 to off, etc. that's card 5, starting with 16

Then switch rows 1-4 to off, 5-8 to on, 9-12 to off, 13 to on...that's card 6, starting with 32

Then switch rows 1-8 to off, 9-13 to on, that's card 7, starting with 64

And that's the basis of the chessboard riddle but there is more to it
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  doodlesmom  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 5:18 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
So back to the circuit breaker riddle... If you had the good fortune that they were arranged in neat rows of 8 under each other I.e. 8 columns , 13 rows, you could do this:

Number them from 0 to 99 in binary

Then switch on every second column (skip the first, switch on the second, etc..) Those are the odd numbers, like card 1 in our magic trick
Note which lights are on.(1 for on, 0 for off, last digit of your 7 digit number)

then switch two columns to off, the next two to on, etc... This would be card 2, (start with 2, switch 2 on, 2 off) Go through house, note results.

Then switch off four columns, four columns on - that's card 3, starting with 4...

Then switch off the first row, swtich the seond row on, the third row off, fourth on, etc... that's card 4, starting with 8

Then switch rows 1 and 2 to off, 3 & 4 to on, 5&6 to off, etc. that's card 5, starting with 16

Then switch rows 1-4 to off, 5-8 to on, 9-12 to off, 13 to on...that's card 6, starting with 32

Then switch rows 1-8 to off, 9-13 to on, that's card 7, starting with 64

And that's the basis of the chessboard riddle but there is more to it


Not knowledgeable of binary but, The following I was able to comprehend as well.
the way they did it was marking each breaker throughout with a 0 if you kept it closed and a 1 if it was open that round. And then going up to the light switches each time and marking with the same 0 if open and 1 if closed that round.
And then matching each switch with light.
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  ChanieMommy  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 5:40 pm
doodlesmom wrote:
Not knowledgeable of binary but, The following I was able to comprehend as well.
the way they did it was marking each breaker throughout with a 0 if you kept it closed and a 1 if it was open that round. And then going up to the light switches each time and marking with the same 0 if open and 1 if closed that round.
And then matching each switch with light.


This here is the same principle, but a bit more methodical... this way, you are sure, in a easy way, that you covered all circuit breakers and all lights in a minimum of effort...

And then you can note the binary number of the circuit breaker with each light, and the regular number of the light with each circuit breaker...

I just used this example to show a basic principle that also works for the key in chessboard riddle...
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  ExtraCredit  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 6:30 pm
Chaniemommy, I’d love to be a student in your math class.
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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 6:34 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
Chaniemommy, I’d love to be a student in your math class.


I was going to ask at which university she's a math professor...
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  malki2  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 6:37 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
Yes, 128 to 255 have 8 digits...

and they nomally start with 0y

so: 0 to 1 (2 numbers - ) one digit
2-3: two digits
4-7; three digits...


And it always changes at powers of 2...


Binary works exactly the same way as our decimal system, except that there are 2 digits instead of 10. So in the rightmost place, you either have a zero or a 1. And instead of going up by a power of 10 in the next place, it goes up by a power of 2. So 11 means (1) 2 and (1) 1, making 3. You can represent any number in binary, and it’s much more simple and that’s why computers use it. Each place is just 2 choices. Like a switch. It’s either on or off. Which, by the way, is what is represented by the on/off buttons on all computers. It’s a 1 inside a zero. Fun fact.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don’t.
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  Tamari  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 6:44 pm
malki2 wrote:
Binary works exactly the same way as our decimal system, except that there are 2 digits instead of 10.

malki2 wrote:
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don’t.

The rest of 'em are decimal ppl?
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  malki2  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 6:45 pm
It looks like I missed some really great stuff. I’m going to have to go back and read all these riddles. I just didn’t have the time to focus on them today.
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  malki2




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 15 2020, 6:47 pm
Tamari wrote:
The rest of 'em are decimal ppl?


In Binary, 10 means 2. One two and no ones.
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