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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:21 pm
malki2 wrote:
Here’s the real problem: how can 2 people come down a chimney, one comes out clean and the other one comes out dirty? It’s just not possible.

I wrote this on my previous post then deleted it Laugh
2 great minds think alike.
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:22 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
I wrote this on my previous post then deleted it Laugh
2 great minds think alike.


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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:23 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
Where do I start? Banging head


Its a probability theorem.

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If it were 23 people in the room, it would be 50%. At 22 people, just a tad less, I suppose.
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:23 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
I wrote this on my previous post then deleted it Laugh
2 great minds think alike.


But you omitted the second question:

Two men, again, fall through a chimney, one is black from sooth, the other stays clean, which one will wash?
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:24 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
Its a probability theorem.

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If it were 23 people in the room, it would be 50%. At 22 people, just a tad less, I suppose.


You got it.

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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:25 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
Its a probability theorem.

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If it were 23 people in the room, it would be 50%. At 22 people, just a tad less, I suppose.


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I think there are 23 people. She entered the room after it already had 22. I don’t get why there’s a 50% chance that out of 365 days 2 should have the same birthday.
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:25 pm
malki2 wrote:
Here’s the real problem: how can 2 people come down a chimney, one comes out clean and the other one comes out dirty? It’s just not possible.


Dude 1 had Santa's physique, and took most of the soot with him. Dude 2 was svelte, went straight down the middle without touching a thing.
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:26 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
But you omitted the second question:

Two men, again, fall through a chimney, one is black from sooth, the other stays clean, which one will wash?

Oh the same 2 idiots did it again? Is this what you’re saying?
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:26 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
Why do you always mess up your answers? You were right till the last paragraph Very Happy
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Messy barber shop barber does a perfect job while clean barber shop barber does a messy job. The proof is on their (fish) heads. They each use the only other barber in town.


Lol

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you haven't seen my hair... Last time I went to have a haircut was before Covid-19, I suspect it was exactly 1 year ago...
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:26 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
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I think there are 23 people. She entered the room after it already had 22. I don’t get why there’s a 50% chance that out of 365 days 2 should have the same birthday.


Its been a long time since I took statistics, but Wikipedia gives it a go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....oblem
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:27 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
Oh the same 2 idiots did it again? Is this what you’re saying?

Yes exactly...
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:27 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
Dude 1 had Santa's physique, and took most of the soot with him. Dude 2 was svelte, went straight down the middle without touching a thing.

Laugh
I wouldn’t fit into chimneys in the first place!
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:31 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
Yes exactly...


What

It’s probably not the same answer again. Help me...
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:33 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
Where do I start? Banging head


OK. I will give you an easier one to start with.

Ivan lost all his money in the casino. He decides to commit suicide and plays "russian Roulette": he takes an empty revolver with a cylinder with 6 spots for bullets, puts a bullet in one spot, rotates the cylinder, holds the revolver to his head and pulls the trigger.

What are the chances that he will shoot himself?

If he did not shoot himself the first time, he rotates the cylinder again (I.e. mixes anew), holds the revolver to his head and pulls the triger. What are the chances that he will be death by now (shot at the first or second try)?
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:36 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
OK. I will give you an easier one to start with.

Ivan lost all his money in the casino. He decides to commit suicide and plays "russian Roulette": he takes an empty revolver with a cylinder with 6 spots for bullets, puts a bullet in one spot, rotates the cylinder, holds the revolver to his head and pulls the trigger.

What are the chances that he will shoot himself?

If he did not shoot himself the first time, he rotates the cylinder again (I.e. mixes anew), holds the revolver to his head and pulls the triger. What are the chances that he will be death by now (shot at the first or second try)?
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33.33%?
Or is the answer that its always 50% either dead or not
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:38 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
What

It’s probably not the same answer again. Help me...

Exactly.

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The dirty one will clean himself. Because he saw the other guy wash, so he concluded that the other guy saw him dirty, so he will wash...
whereas the other guy saw while washing that he was not dirty... so he is intelligent enough to test his face the second time round, and he discovers he is not dirty...

and then follows the third question:
again - two men fall through a chimney the third time, one is dirty, the other stays clean, who will wash,

and that is where your answer comes in:

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Why would two guys fall through the same chimney three times, and each time one is dirty, the other stays clean...
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:44 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
Exactly.

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The dirty one will clean himself. Because he saw the other guy wash, so he concluded that the other guy saw him dirty, so he will wash...
whereas the other guy saw while washing that he was not dirty... so he is intelligent enough to test his face the second time round, and he discovers he is not dirty...

and then follows the third question:
again - two men fall through a chimney the third time, one is dirty, the other stays clean, who will wash,

and that is where your answer comes in:

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Why would two guys fall through the same chimney three times, and each time one is dirty, the other stays clean...

Six of wands answered the last one!
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:49 pm
ExtraCredit wrote:
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33.33%?
Or is the answer that its always 50% either dead or not


That would be if he did not mix again... then, after 6 tries he would be sure to be death, and at each try he would have 1/6 = 16,666% more risk of dying...

but when he mixes anew, the math is different.

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He has 5/6 chances of surviving, at which each new try (let's call the number of tries n), his chances of surviving will go down from 5/6 to (5/6)^2, (5/6)^3, (5/6)^n
And his chances of dying will be 1- chances of survivng, so 1-(5/6)^n

So with two tries, his survival chances would be 69,4%, his chances of dying slightly over 30%...

So he could afford 4 tries before his survival chances go under 50%, and he could afford 13 tries before his survival chances go under 10%
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:56 pm
ChanieMommy wrote:
That would be if he did not mix again... then, after 6 tries he would be sure to be death, and at each try he would have 1/6 = 16,666% more risk of dying...

but when he mixes anew, the math is different.

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He has 5/6 chances of surviving, at which each new try (let's call the number of tries n), his chances of surviving will go down from 5/6 to (5/6)^2, (5/6)^3, (5/6)^n
And his chances of dying will be 1- chances of survivng, so 1-(5/6)^n

So with two tries, his survival chances would be 69,4%, his chances of dying slightly over 30%...

So he could afford 4 tries before his survival chances go under 50%, and he could afford 13 tries before his survival chances go under 10%

Ok I really need a refreshers course!
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Post Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:59 pm
Here’s one:

What group of seven things is described by the following?
Long, short, white, black, his, hers, theirs.
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