Anti-Infanticide bill defeated!

ectomorph ↓

Mon, Feb 25 2019, 9:32 pm

baby sea turtles lives have more value than humans.

Where are the liberals now. At least they acn abandon any pretense of Torah morality.

sushilover

Mon, Feb 25 2019, 9:52 pm

I've been trying to find a reason to justify Leftists not voting for this bill.

The only reasons I can find is
1)they feel like it will just make doctors more reluctant to perform abortions if they know they will have to send the baby to hospital if it survives
2) and they say it simply doesn't happen that babies survive abortions. This is just a Republican ploy to push a "false narrative" that there are more late term abortions than there actually are.

Both of these reasons seem ludicrous and horrific to me. If anyone can explain them, I'd be grateful.

animeme ↓

Mon, Feb 25 2019, 10:30 pm

The coverage I've seen wants to give parents the right to allow a non-viable/medically complicated child to be provided with only comfort care.

I imagine there is a lot of not wanting anything prosecutable around abortion.

2cents ↓

Mon, Feb 25 2019, 11:01 pm

animeme wrote:

This can't be it, because this has always been legal. We've had this in the extended family, where a young baby was given only comfort care and allowed to pass away after being born full term with an expected incurable fatal condition. Stopping treatment for an incurable condition is the parents legal right.

In this case, the baby (no longer a fetus, he or she is a living human being) is not being given comfort care, it's being allowed to die, or being killed, off the record. Like, oops, he made it out, kill it.

↑ animeme

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 6:07 am

2cents wrote:

I agree, but over and over I'm seeing, "It takes away the ability to make decisions specific to the situation." Along with, "this is already the law". Sigh.

33055 ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 7:49 am

The really good news because of the liberal support of infanticide is that the poll numbers of Americans supporting abortion is dropping dramatically and the poll numbers of Americans who are pro-life are rising dramatically. The pendulum is swinging in the right direction.

Murder of babies is too extreme for normal people.

↑ ectomorph ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 10:17 am

Giving kids hormonal treatments that make them infertile because they think they're the opposite gender used to be too extreme for normal people.

Squishy, this is bad either way.

Can you imagine how many babies will be killed upon birth.

Soon we'll be forced to kill all of our children to protect the environment.

And wherever there is killing the Jews are the first to go.

Fox ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 12:00 pm

An interesting analysis from The Federalist.

Basically, the push toward making third-trimester abortions is blurring the lines between a large majority of those who consider themselves pro-choice and those who consider themselves pro-life.

77 percent of people who consider themselves pro-choice believe that abortions in the third trimester are wrong and are opposed to refusing health care for a viable infant.

It seems that "pro-life" is becoming less of an absolutist position and "pro-choice" is becoming more absolutist.

nchr ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 12:24 pm

I honestly could not care less about what strangers or even people I know do with their fetuses and infants. Years ago there was so supportive care and I believe parents should have a right to choose to not provide a sick infant with supportive care. I also know someone whose baby passes a few hours after its birth. She knew beforehand and if a third trimester abortion would have been an option for her, who am I to stop that? Babies should not be made to suffer but if they can do this without harming them in a humane fashion I'll turn my head and let others do as they see right. I do feel there should be limits (as in the child should have a serious health issue that would severely impact its quality and quantity of life). Interestingly enough, if a Jew actually kills a fetus (even at 9 months) the fetus is counted as a non entity (although even at 1 week it's the opposite if a non Jew does).

OBnursemom

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 1:08 pm

Quoting from the article: “Democrats and reproductive rights advocates blasted the bill, saying it's already a felony to harm or neglect an infant and that the “medically irresponsible” bill would restricts doctors from making case-by-case decisions about what is best for infants and mothers.”

↑ 33055 ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 1:52 pm

ectomorph wrote:

LOL about killing children to protect the environment.

The Germans practiced on Germans first which desensitized the population to killing Jews. Once you start murdering, where does the line stop?

↑ ectomorph ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 1:53 pm

OBnursemom wrote:

The bill allows you to let a healthy 9 month old be drowned in amniotic fluid or starve the baby to death since picking up or feeding is supportive care.

The idea is for babies who survive abortions - and 87% of 3rd trimester abortions are healthy babies.

This is evil and it's awful that you can't call it out.

May Hashem have mercy on us- the mercy we are not showing innocent infants.

↑ ectomorph ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 1:55 pm

Squishy wrote:

LOL about killing children to protect the environment.

The Germans practiced on Germans first which desensitized the population to killing Jews. Once you start murdering, where does the line stop?

Exactly my point.

First killing disabled infants was permitted. Then others who don't enjoy life or contribute to society by their definition.

It's not a joke. Cortez said the other day that anyone over the age of 80 should die because no one really needs to live that long.

simcha2 ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 2:07 pm

ectomorph wrote:

Source please.

What percentage were to save the mother's life?

I have not read the bill.

I obviously don't agree with killing babies. I also don't agreee with using rhetoric in place of fact.

I also don't agree with using xtianity as the arbiter rather than the Torah.

SixOfWands ↓

Tue, Feb 26 2019, 2:14 pm

ectomorph wrote:

It's not a joke. Cortez said the other day that anyone over the age of 80 should die because no one really needs to live that long.

Please provide a citation with that exact quote.