PSA: Responsible Non-Vaccination

nchr

Fri, Nov 02 2018, 1:08 pm

Just asking. Why would someone over stimulate an immune system? You know that's unhealthy right? (Not that the remedies suggested actually do that). Our immune systems work the way they need to. People with autoimmune disorders have over stimulate immune systems that are so focused on attacking one thing it ignores the rest. Also, over stimulated immune systems are dangerous and can lead to severe disorders and death. I assume what you mean when you say immune boosters is just to try and eat and live healthy right?

amother

↑ Lavender

Fri, Nov 02 2018, 1:09 pm

amother wrote:

The only way to responsibly non-vax, is to go live on an island with all the other non-vaxxers.

Keep your germs and viruses to yourselves.

The only way to responsibly vaccinate is to never let any of that poison in your body.
Keep your disease-shedding, toxic vaccines, and good luck.

↑ irrationalrose

Fri, Nov 02 2018, 1:12 pm

Mommyg8 wrote:

I've done vitamin C, so I know what she's talking about.

You are misunderstanding the protocol. You give vitamin C until gut tolerance, which means that the person starts getting diarrhea. It's not a dangerous kind. Then you give a little less than the amount you were giving, so you just get diarrhea for a short amount of time - hardly dangerous.

I think it's a bit complicated, and it's not widely used because - well, most people do immunize. And give antibiotics when necessary for other illnesses.

But I just did this myself. I had a bad cold/cough/asthma that was just not going away and I just did this vitamin C regiment on myself. It really helped!!!

got it, thanks for clarifying.

amother

Coral

Sat, Nov 03 2018, 2:43 pm

amother wrote:

Wonderful post. Thanks for sharing!

What is the Vitamin C protocol and how is it to be applied in case of whooping cough? How to recognize respiratory distress?

Can you say more about Vitamin A in case of measles? How much? What MUST be avoided in the case of measles?

Thanks again!

As someone who lived through whooping cough ( yes, I was fully vaxxed) and watched my three WEEK old baby suffer through the hell of whoooping cough ( yes, all my children were vaxxed) I think I’m qualified to weigh in here. Once you have whooping cough, you have whooping cough. It doesn’t go away for weeks. There is NO CURE. Yes, I did the mega doses of vitamin c. What’s your plan for getting vitamin c into a newborn? The babies are the only ones at risk when it comes to whooping cough being fatal and a newborn can’t take mega doses of vitamin c. So please please understand people that if you come down with whooping cough, it wont be much more than a terribly uncomfortable cough. Sure, be my guest, treat with vitamin c. But if you go to work with that cough, you could be spreading it to someone who has a newborn at home, and no matter how much vitamin c you somehow get into that baby, whooping cough can 100 % be fatal in babies. Lets not pretend vitamin c is a cure, ok? It’s just way too dangerous.

amother

↑ Powderblue

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 2:23 am

amother wrote:

http://drsuzanne.net/2017/10/s.....s-md/

amother

Navy

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 4:48 am

amother wrote:

If you have not vaccinated because of fear of side effects, I propose that you follow these steps to minimize side effects:

1) Do not vaccinate sick children. Even a minor cold. The immune system reacts differently, and the results are not always good.

I'm giving my child vaccine today and she has a bad cough. I've waited long for this appt. Should I cancel??

Also, I'm a believer of pushing it off and starting when the child is over a year. Shes up to the one before measles shot. Can I skip that shot and go straight to measles??

Ruchel

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 5:39 am

Quote:

1) Do not vaccinate sick children. Even a minor cold. The immune system reacts differently, and the results are not always good.

2) Spread out vaccines. Give 1, or preferably 2, months between each vaccine. If separate shots are available instead of combos, take those. This gives the body more chance to recover, and you more chance to notice serious side effects if ch"v some were starting to develop.

3) If you are comfortable doing this, and there are no immediate outbreaks, consider postponing shots in younger infants.

4) Consider postponing certain vaccines if you are comfortable with the diseases and less so in the shot - I.e. chicken pox. Some wait and give the shot to a teen if they never contracted natural chicken pox, which is more serious in adults.

5) If a child has a bad reaction, stop vaccinating that child. Their body is telling you that they cannot handle them. The risk/benefit ratio has just changed significantly, and it may not be worth the risk anymore.

That's what I do. Sadly our new health minister made me an outlaw with her new rules about vaccines.. I still try. I will only give vaccines that are mandatory and those I find necessary. Like here, chicken pox isn't a thing to vax unless as you say teens. I also do my own schedule since my babies bh stay with me

mommy3b2c

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 5:48 am

amother wrote:

It is mind boggling to me that this thread has not been deleted.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING RESPONSIBLE WHEN YOU DO NOT VACCINATE.

I would not want to be you at the end of 120 years, when Hashem says to you: I put you in the world at a time in history where you could prevent yourself, your children and others from getting diseases, and you didn't take advantage of it. Instead you put others at risk and perhaps even caused someone damage as a result.

As someone else posted, go live on a deserted Pacific Island.

This. Right now my heart is pounding in fear. My 3 year old has had fever, cough, runny nose for the past few days. Now he just woke up with a rash near his eyes. I am praying it’s just a cold, but I need to wait till 8:30 when the doctors office opens and I am laying hear terrified. I hope G-d punishes all of you evil idiots.

abound

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 5:52 am

The only question I have, is why is everyone madder at the ppl who do not vaccinate their kids when most adults are not immunized against measles. (it does not last forever)

(I do vaccinate, I just do not get this fear mongering)

Iymnok ↓

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 6:38 am

mommy3b2c wrote:

If you suspect measles, call the doctor. They may tell you to wait outside and they’ll come out to examine him. Don’t bring the measles virus (ar another contagious virus) into the clinic.

sirel

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 6:47 am

abound wrote:

Over 90% of adults are still immune if they got two doses.

amother

Crimson

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 6:53 am

Sebastian wrote:

Imo it is selfish to put your child at risk for a potentially dangerous and painful disease because you are scared. If it s so frightening stay on birth control.

And I think it's selfish for parents to vaccinate for every little thing without first educating themselves about what is best for the child, simply because they don't want their children home sick!

↑ Sebastian ↓

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 7:07 am

Another crimson I literally do not know anyone who vaccinated b c they don't want to stay home with their sick kids.

I know ppl who vaccinate b c they don't want their children to be in pain and uncomfortable. I know ppl who vaccinate bc they are afraid their tiny baby will catch whatever his older siblings have and need to be hospitalized or worse.

Another navy I would skip to the mmr but ask your drq

amother

Khaki

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 7:17 am

amother wrote:

Regarding the cough, you would have to have her examined to see if she's well enough for vaccines.

Regarding skipping and giving the MMR vaccine first, absolutely. This is done all the time (giving out of schedule when parents start vaccinating late -if she's at least the age that she can receive that vaccine).

Regarding starting at over a year of age, I don't quite understand that logic since that leaves your child vulnerable to meningitis for the first year of life when it's the riskiest, but ok.

↑ Iymnok

Sun, Nov 04 2018, 7:23 am

amother wrote:

Each vaccine has a different ideal age for the first dose. MMR is about 1 year. You will just have to give it again if it is given too early.