Fear by Bob Woodward

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 11:29 am

InnerMe wrote:

Ok, let me explain it to you.
It's not about my political views or lack thereof. I actually lean more republican.
A conversation allows other people to participate. The way you are replying to every post that doesn't agree with you, and turning it into an attack is how you are taking over the thread.
Please reread your posts and see how they sound.

Again, please show me where I’ve attacked anyone. I’ll wait.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 11:32 am

keym wrote:

You see but now you are being the hypocrite.
If you are going to say "the rapist B Clinton" and "the criminal H Clinton" then you also have to say "the menuval and molester/rapist/pervert (pick your adj) Trump who is also Mr President".
It can't be " Trump the hero/saint" and "Clinton the devil".

So let's do that. Let's refer to them by their proper titles.

Wrong, because I’m not the one who brought up any president’s morality as proof that they’re unfit; the dems here did, and do every time, to malign Trump. So if they’re going to claim he’s unfit for office because of his lack of morality (and note, all the claims against him are from before he took office, as opposed to what Clinton did while in office), then they must be consistent and also say that Clinton was unfit. Can’t have it both ways.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 11:41 am

Clarissa wrote:

What a sweet thing to say. It's nice to be back. But I need to be careful not to get into endless, pointless arguments with strangers. Not that I haven't had good times doing that here. Very Happy

It’s only an argument if someone turns it into one, by speaking with disrespect towards others, shaming them for their differing views (ie. ‘you’re no constitutional scholar’), calling them names, challenging their desire to post anonymously (can you really blame someone, considering the viciousness one subjects themselves to here?), and repeatedly trying to goad them into arguments...there’s no reason there can’t be respectful debate. To accuse others with differing views of “attacking others and taking over” is just a cowardly way of shutting down a productive debate.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 11:47 am

Maya wrote:

I’m much more baffled by the number of Trump supporters. Very few people are really benefiting from his policies, and if anyone blindly regurgitates media talking points and fake news, that’s a much bigger issue on the right.

I’m benefitting greatly by his policies and most people I know are too. My stock portfolio is bH through the roof, taxes gone down, Israel has never had a more supportive friend in a US president, we’re out of the Iran deal and sanctions have been reimposed, ISIS is pretty much gone, hopefully loose immigration will soon be tightened which will protect every American by preventing terrorists from sneaking in with other immigrants, and so much more. I’d say that’s impressive and a 180 of what we had from the last president!

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 11:53 am

chaiz wrote:

As per his tweet that he kept Omarosa on staff because of her loyalties to him. And how he is all mad now at Sessions because of his investigating republican congressmen too close before the election. This is not fake news because he tweeted this himself. I don't see how that is a good manager or delegator. (Never mind the fact that constantly firing people doesn't show good managerial skills to most of the developed world.)

Do you really believe that if he wa not a good leader and manager, that he could’ve reached the extraordinary business successes he has?

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 11:56 am

Clarissa wrote:

As I often say to my husband, I will never understand frum Jews supporting him.

Huh? Freeing Rubashkin, moving Jerusalem embassy, standing by Israel, not stopping “settlement”building, defunding the PA, defunding UNRWA, pulling out of the nefarious Iran dealwhich directly threatened Israel (and the US), standing up to anti Semitic voting in the UN, and so much more...I’d say frum Jews have an OBLIGATION to support him and show hakarat hatov.

↑ Amarante ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 12:11 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Do you really believe that if he wa not a good leader and manager, that he could’ve reached the extraordinary business successes he has?

You aren't serious about his business successes LOL.

He has had multiple bankruptcies and questionable ties in terms of money laundering. A string of licensing failures and fraudulent efforts like Trump University. He hasn't really run a business for many years as he essentially is a licensing organization.

But most importantly, he was inherited a large sum of money from his father. If he had put that amount into a plain old index fund he would actually be worth more than what he is worth - and we can only speculate as to what his real net worth is.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 12:13 pm

Amarante wrote:

You aren't serious about his business successes LOL.

He has had multiple bankruptcies and questionable ties in terms of money laundering.

But most importantly, he was inherited a large sum of money from his father. If he had put that amount into a plain old index fund he would actually be worth more than what he is worth - and we can only speculate as to what his real net worth is.

Huh? Seriously? I don’t think anyone would turn down switching places with him financially or having his business sense...

↑ Amarante ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 12:30 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Huh? Seriously? I don’t think anyone would turn down switching places with him financially or having his business sense...

His wealth was inherited - he could have stuck it in an index fund like anyone and had MORE money than he inherited.

He doesn't have business sense but was lucky to have a father who did have business sense.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 12:34 pm

Amarante wrote:

He received an inheritance, nowhere near what he ultimately made in his unbelievably successful businesses, and turned himself into a billionaire by investing, starting numerous business, his brilliant business sense, and being the ultimate deal maker! Which is why he’s been able to use his business smarts/brilliance to fix our economy so quickly and so tremendously, to create tens of thousands of jobs, to keep companies from leaving the US and bringing others back, etc.

↑ Maya ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 1:27 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Huh? Seriously? I don’t think anyone would turn down switching places with him financially or having his business sense...

I absolutely would. I don’t think he has business sense at all. I think he got where he is by being a bully and scaring or blackmailing people into submission. Not because he’s that business savvy.

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 1:29 pm

Cheiny wrote:

And we have to know, al tivtechu bnedivim. This could turn on a dime. One might say, his actions show an unparalleled level of friendship.

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 1:30 pm

Clarissa wrote:

As I often say to my husband, I will never understand frum Jews supporting him.

Oh, one more thing.
Some people had a cheshbon that due to health or scandal, neither was likely to complete the four years, and they'd rather have a President Pence than President Kaine.

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 1:39 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Casinos (FOUR bankruptcies)
Trump Magazine
Trump Steaks
Trump Mortgage

All unsuccessful.

Of course, we don't know what else has been successful -- or not -- because he has refused to release his tax returns. I would presume that he has been successful in the licensing of his name for real estate.

Keeping jobs in the US? Actually, no. As of the end of 2017, more than 10,000 jobs at federal contractors had been sent overseas. Hewlett Packard. Honeywell. Merck. IBM. GE. Pfizer. United Technologies. Boeing. GM. More than 200 people were laid off at the Carrier plant that Trump "saved." Thanks, Mr. Trump!

And let's not forget how hard farmers have been hurt.

The economy. Yeah. Right. Unemployment numbers have continued falling, just like they did under Obama. But worker pay has been flat over the past year by some measures, such as real average hourly wages for rank-and-file workers. And we're creating jobs at a slower pace than before Trump was elected. The United States added 2.7 million jobs in 2015 and 2.3 million in 2016. It added 2.2 million last year and is on pace for 2.6 million this year.

↑ Clarissa ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 2:18 pm

Cheiny wrote:

I'm not grateful for anything he's done. If you want to see gratitude, you'll see it when he resigns or is thrown out.

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↑ Clarissa ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 2:19 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Where did you get that? I didn't say you attacked anybody or took over. You do take over, but that's your right. Just as it's my right to not bother to argue with you. I've been back for less than 24 hours and I see what your thing is here. I don't have to engage with it. You'll still have fun with other people.

↑ Amarante

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 2:24 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Let me try once again - He inherited a great deal of money but he did NOTHING to increase the amount of that inheritance to an amount more than any shlub who invested it in a Fidelity Index Fund would have increased during that time. Some financial analysts believe that he actually would have a higher net worth if he had just invested in an index fund.

↑ Clarissa ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 3:20 pm

Cheiny wrote:

When did Ivanka join Imamother?

(kidding!) (kind of)

fmt4 ↓

Thu, Sep 06 2018, 5:01 pm

Cheiny, seriously, chill. Why are you so excited? Relax and put down the Pom-poms for a minute. You’re not being paid to be The #1 BIGGEST FAN OF THE GREATEST PRESIDENT THAT EVER WAS IS OR WILL BE - or at least I hope you’re not lol. But for real, that’s what all your posts sound like and it’s really over the top. I don’t think I have ever in my life seen a person as worked up and enthused about a politician before. Like this is a level of enthusiasm and fan worship that is usually reserved for young girls for pop stars. If we all say that we love Trump too, will it make you stop?