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↑ Cheiny ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 5:20 pm

Jeanette wrote:

I give her credit for using her screen name this time.

How was your vacation? Smile

↑ Clarissa ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 5:24 pm

Cheiny wrote:

And your answer about what I raised vis-à-vis his actions towards Jews and Israel....? Is he bad for Jews, in your view?

I refuse to engage with you on this topic. I can tell from reading a few of your posts that it wouldn't be good for my blood pressure.

↑ InnerMe ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 5:28 pm

Clarissa wrote:

I refuse to engage with you on this topic. I can tell from reading a few of your posts that it wouldn't be good for my blood pressure.

I just love you.
Pretty please stay. We need you on here.

↑ Clarissa ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 5:30 pm

InnerMe wrote:

I just love you.
Pretty please stay. We need you on here.

What a sweet thing to say. It's nice to be back. But I need to be careful not to get into endless, pointless arguments with strangers. Not that I haven't had good times doing that here. Very Happy

↑ southernbubby ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 5:40 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Who is holding him up as a moral person? It’s only liberals who are repeatedly raising his lack of morals, to deflect from his wild and unprecedented successes as president.

Lack of morals certainly makes it hard to respect someone.

The Democrats are working hard to reinvent themselves and some real socialists are winning primaries. And I can't blame them at all for looking for dirt. Usually during any election, the dirt about each candidate and each party is brought to the public by the opposition and both sides do it in equal measures.

I listen to conservative talk radio but also log onto CNN and watch news there. I want a balanced view rather than a completely biased view. There is no neutral news outlet that I am aware of.

The Republicans are usually warning the public that the Democrats will repeal the 2nd amendment and want babies aborted in the 9th month. Some very disturbed very right wing white supremacy groups have developed in the last few years but lack of participation by web servers is thankfully weakening them because they do pose a threat to Jews and other minorities.

I don't want to be one of those conservatives that believes everything in the conservative playbook. Confederate flags or statues should be ILLEGAL in all public places including courthouses, parks, colleges, traffic islands, etc. The civil war is over and the slaves are now BH free.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 5:41 pm

Clarissa wrote:

What a sweet thing to say. It's nice to be back. But I need to be careful not to get into endless, pointless arguments with strangers. Not that I haven't had good times doing that here. Very Happy

So it's time to enjoy a pointless argument!

Howdy stranger!

↑ Clarissa ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 5:52 pm

southernbubby wrote:

So it's time to enjoy a pointless argument!

Howdy stranger!

Hello there, southernbubby!

↑ southernbubby ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 6:15 pm

Clarissa wrote:

Hello there, southernbubby!

well my bags are packed and I'm ready to go....remember that song?

Truth is, I am NOT finished packing so my terribly valuable opinions about politics will have to wait.

Raisin

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 6:15 pm

Hey Clarissa! How are you? We miss you round here. (I know nothing about Bob Woodward, just came here to say hi)

↑ Clarissa ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 6:56 pm

Raisin wrote:

Hey Clarissa! How are you? We miss you round here. (I know nothing about Bob Woodward, just came here to say hi)

Hey, it's my favorite wrinkled, dried fruit, Raisin!

I'm good. Glad to be back. How are you?

syaem

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 7:10 pm

Why there are so many Trump haters on imamother? Do they really benefit from democrat policies ir just blindly regurgitate media talking points?

↑ Maya ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 7:12 pm

syaem wrote:

Why there are so many Trump haters on imamother? Do they really benefit from democrat policies ir just blindly regurgitate media talking points?

I’m much more baffled by the number of Trump supporters. Very few people are really benefiting from his policies, and if anyone blindly regurgitates media talking points and fake news, that’s a much bigger issue on the right.

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 7:37 pm

syaem wrote:

Why there are so many Trump haters on imamother? Do they really benefit from democrat policies ir just blindly regurgitate media talking points?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0......html

Written by a senior official in the Trump administration who described Trump's leadership as “impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective” and cited “unsung heroes” and “adults in the room” who tried to prevent disaster. At one point, the official wrote, there was talk of the cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment to declare Mr. Trump unable to discharge his duties, but no one wanted a constitutional crisis.

Not to mention the lawsuit against the Trump Foundation

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0......html

But yes, we all benefit from health care. From compassionate government programs. From regulations that protect our environment.

ETA -- we also all benefit from a free and vigorous press, which Trump is doing his utmost to destroy. From people being able to protest -- whether or not I agree with them -- which the current administration finds "embarrassing." ("I think it's embarrassing for the country to allow protesters ....") Unless, of course, they're white nationalists; some of them are very find people.

↑ Jeanette ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 8:01 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html

Written by a senior official in the Trump administration who described Trump's leadership as “impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective” and cited “unsung heroes” and “adults in the room” who tried to prevent disaster. At one point, the official wrote, there was talk of the cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment to declare Mr. Trump unable to discharge his duties, but no one wanted a constitutional crisis.

Not to mention the lawsuit against the Trump Foundation

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0......html

But yes, we all benefit from health care. From compassionate government programs. From regulations that protect our environment.

ETA -- we also all benefit from a free and vigorous press, which Trump is doing his utmost to destroy. From people being able to protest -- whether or not I agree with them -- which the current administration finds "embarrassing." ("I think it's embarrassing for the country to allow protesters ....") Unless, of course, they're white nationalists; some of them are very find people.

I'm glad you brought up the NYT article. I'm really questioning their judgment in printing this. Why not tell this anonymous official that either you say it under your own name or we dont print it? Hard core Trumpers will call it fake news anyway, and the rest of us dont heed an anonymous op ed to tell us Trump is unfit.

If the purpose is to reassure us that adults are in charge, how does this op ed accomplish that? Does whoever it is think he can print this and then go back to the status quo of protecting America from its president? By going public isn't he undermining his own ability to continue doing that? Does he want an uprising?

There are constitutional remedies to remove an unfit president. If Trump is unfit, come out publically and say so. If you're trying to pull the fire alarm you can't hide your identity or whereabouts from the firefighters. What is NOT constitutional is to continue to work and cover for a president you know isn't up to the job.

↑ Jeanette ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 8:11 pm

Anyway, David Frum said it better:

https://www.theatlantic.com/am.....9443/

Impeachment is a constitutional mechanism. The Twenty-Fifth Amendment is a constitutional mechanism. Mass resignations followed by voluntary testimony to congressional committees are a constitutional mechanism. Overt defiance of presidential authority by the president’s own appointees—now that’s a constitutional crisis.

If the president’s closest advisers believe that he is morally and intellectually unfit for his high office, they have a duty to do their utmost to remove him from it, by the lawful means at hand. That duty may be risky to their careers in government or afterward. But on their first day at work, they swore an oath to defend the Constitution—and there were no “riskiness” exemptions in the text of that oath.

↑ Clarissa ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 9:17 pm

syaem wrote:

Why there are so many Trump haters on imamother? Do they really benefit from democrat policies ir just blindly regurgitate media talking points?

What a strange question. You're surprised that some people don't like or respect him? You somehow think that everyone loves this guy? It doesn't matter what news you watch or read, how can you not know that plenty of people think he's awful?

HappyGoLucky1

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 9:40 pm

Deleted because someone posted the link I posted.
Maybe its better this way 🤣

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Fox ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 9:40 pm

Eh, I like good fanfiction as much as anyone, and Woodward presumably does it better than Omarosa.

But Woodward has been coasting for a long time, and his journalistic instincts have come under increasing criticism. Remember when he claimed the Obama WH was threatening him?

But anyway, neither the excerpts released from Woodward or the NYT piece make sense if you study Trump's management style. He delegates; has insanely high performance standards; and fires quickly when those standards aren't met. For example, Trump is one of the most hands-off Presidents in recent memory when it comes to the DOD. Mattis runs the show.

The Woodward and NYT pieces only make sense if Trump were actively involved in minutiae, and there's just no evidence that's the case.

So love him or hate him, I don't think either of these works contains the smoking gun some of you would like. Woodward will get invited to a lot of Georgetown dinner parties, and the anonymous NYT source will eventually come out and parlay the whole thing into a talking head career, a la d!ck Morris.

Meanwhile, @jack claimed in Congressional hearings that Twitter is a "public square." Way more important in the long run than anything WaPo or the NYT have to say about Trump or anything else.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 9:46 pm

[youtube]randy rainbow impeached[/youtube]

I can't get this to copy/paste properly but Randy has a point. This is not to say that I like some of what Trump has done such as freeing Rubashkin but he doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his leadership ability.

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↑ Cheiny ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2018, 9:47 pm

syaem wrote:

Why there are so many Trump haters on imamother? Do they really benefit from democrat policies ir just blindly regurgitate media talking points?

I’d say the latter....

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