Potty trained as newborn

↑ myheartalk

Mon, Jul 16 2007, 9:53 pm

They definately can and do hold it in and can go on cue. This was to my surprise as well. I didn't invent it, just heard about it and it works fine when I make time for it which is often but not always.

louche

Wed, Jul 25 2007, 8:35 pm

No offense, but the person who is trained here is not the baby but the mother who is trained to recognize when the baby is about to pee. I also read that about African mothers, and it's considered a disgrace that the mom doesn't recognize the signs of a baby being about to let loose. The baby is not trained b/c the baby is not controlling his bladder. The mom has just learned how to tell when it's time, same way as a farmer knows when it's time to milk the cows.

↑ GAMZu ↓

Thu, Jul 26 2007, 12:41 pm

louche wrote:

And why is that bad? the result is the same. The child uses the bathroom like a dignified person instead of wallowing in his waste. And he expects to be taken, and ASKS for it by the time he's able to communicate it to his parents.
I think the statement, "the child isn't trained, the mother is" is just American apologetics for putting off toilet training.

mumsy23

Thu, Jul 26 2007, 12:52 pm

only1 wrote:

I thought babies that young don't have the muscles to hold it in when they need to go. So whats the point of doing it? You aren't training them, because they are too young physically to learn.

The point is that the baby doesn't sit in a dirty diaper.

Also, you have to see the cultural aspects of this - this was done in FSU where diapers were not available. The only choice was cloth or being trained really early

↑ mimsy7420 ↓

Fri, Aug 10 2007, 9:05 am

I think the point is that they think they are "training" their newborns. But they aren't. They are training themselves to recognize cues about their babies. So they shouldn't call it potty training, they should call it parent potty training.

↑ GAMZu ↓

Sat, Aug 11 2007, 6:43 pm

I'll repeat my post from above... why is that bad? We're fed that quote mindlessly. Did anyone stop to think that it's not the logistics that matter, but the fact that 1> you are bonding and communicating with your child 2> you are keeping him clean 3> you are responding to his basic bodily needs.

↑ hadasa ↓

Sun, Aug 12 2007, 2:25 am

While it is true that at first it is the parents who are trained, eventually it comes naturally to the child, who automatically begins to strain when placed on the potty.
Although I have never tried this method myself, theoretically it seems to me to be LESS stressful to the child than at age 2, when issues of power and control come into play.

↑ shalhevet

Sun, Aug 12 2007, 3:31 am

BinahYeteirah wrote:

Never before in history have children been still in diapers at 3-4-5 years of age. This is primarily because of disposable diapers and modern washing machines making it easier for parents to put off toilet training until it is convenient for them. Children today often learn Aleph-Bais and other "academic" information before they can even control their bowels. This is out of order if you ask me (although I am in full support of kids learning holy info as soon as possible).

Although I don't agree with the idea of toilet 'training' babies, I certainly agree with this part of Binah's post.

It is only in America that toilet training is put off until so late. In EY it is only American parents who wait so long, so unless American born children have different genetic make-up till others there is something wrong here.

I would add, that it is not only convenience, but also a whole social outlook that it is wrong to 'pressurize' children and that adults must be slaves to their children, never, ever telling them what to do.

↑ greenfire

Sun, Aug 12 2007, 5:16 am

yes to that ... in my family kids were trained at 1 because of cloth diapers and inconvenience ... simple ... my own kids hated diapers - they are wet and sweaty and it helped that they have sensitive skin - so to go to the potty was a relief for them ... at around 1 1/2 ...

↑ mimsy7420

Sun, Aug 12 2007, 7:23 pm

So I asked my mother about this and it seems that parents who do this are called "Potty Whisperers" which makes more sense then saying "potty trained newborns". This is something that is done in some cultures but is not really relevent to cultures who don't wear their babies 24/7. Because in order to do be a potty whisperer that is exactly what you have to do. No going out to work or running out for a manicure and leaving your baby home with the babysitter. We are literally talking 24/7. I don't know if it's relevent to North America's even most natural parenting parents.

Ruchel ↓

Wed, Sep 05 2007, 8:54 pm

Newborn is too early LOL

But I bought diapers for my dd today, and saw many of them for very big kids (up to 15 years shock

). I had never noticed so many of them. It was a regular supermarket, not a shop for c'v disabled kids.

I doubt we are supposed to wait until the child is ready after a certain limit...

Not to mention the children who are still occasionnally wiped at 8/10... or the 3 yrs old who still go in the potty at school...

frenchfries

Thu, Sep 06 2007, 6:52 am

I read in a parent magazine that some parents were saying that they tried that too, but often the kids need to go throuht the whole learning process again much later... sometimes they do it at 15 even; I rather teach them that training at even 3 years old, just tyhey shouldnt wet theire yeshiva bed!!! Tongue Out

cindy324

Thu, Sep 06 2007, 10:20 am

Ruchel there are many kids who wet their beds up until 11-12, maybe even later, and it's not rare at all. It's usually hereditary, so if a parent was a late bed-wetter, there's a good chance their child(ren) will be , too.

This happens when kids' bladders mature slower than the rest of their body, that's why here in the US they make something called GoodNights, they're thin underwearlike big-kid diapers.

greentiger ↓

Sun, Oct 05 2008, 4:00 am

I am really curious about this and decided to bump this topic. Has anyone else here done this?

(btw I really don't get all the offensive remarks in the thread. The op ovbiously shared that it works for her and I don't see how this kind of training can be any more "damagng" to a newborn than the cio method)