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louche ↓

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 8:14 am

A friend is L"A having a funeral this Sundayand is sitting shiva next week. It would be hard for me to get to their house, but I could do it on Tishabav in the evening. (they're not real observant so they're sitting shiva for 2 hours each evening.) Is it allowed to pay a condolence call on Tishabav? Thanks.

greenfire

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 8:22 am

couldn't find any answers ... but we are all considered mourners on tisha b'av ... so ...

sarahd

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 8:35 am

A good question for your rabbi.

Mama Bear ↓

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 9:33 am

you cant go tisha ba'v in the evening. I'm pretty sure the mournrs wont even be sitting then. My mother sat shiva a year ago, they all basically went home after maariv so they could go to sleep. Serously, maariv is 9:30, and no one is going to come visit, so they'll all go home. anyway, youre not supposed to be visiting people on tisha b'av at night.

after chatzos in the afternoon they did have people come.

Marion

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 11:20 am

MamaBear, if the mourners aren't observant and they're ONLY sitting in the evening, what the OP is saying is that they WILL be sitting on 9 Av, and that's going to be her only chance to go.

↑ Mama Bear

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 12:24 pm

sorry I didnt read the entire post... but she still has to ask a shayal if she may visit people on tisha bav. she wont be allowed to sit o a regular chair in any case.

↑ louche

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 12:30 pm

Marion wrote:

MamaBear, if the mourners aren't observant and they're ONLY sitting in the evening, what the OP is saying is that they WILL be sitting on 9 Av, and that's going to be her only chance to go.

Right. What I mean is not erev tishabav, monday--we'll be having seudah mafseket then--but Tuesday evening, around 6.00 or 7.00 p.m. They're only sitting 2 hours a night, so I can't go after the fast ends. In any case, I wouldn't, because the fast ends somewhere around 9.30. I wouldn't think of paying a shiva call later than maybe 8.00 or 8.30 p.m. unless informed specifically that are sitting till a later hour, b/c how do I know what time the avelim are going to want to go to sleep?

amother

Fri, Jul 20 2007, 12:37 pm

louche wrote:

Marion wrote:

MamaBear, if the mourners aren't observant and they're ONLY sitting in the evening, what the OP is saying is that they WILL be sitting on 9 Av, and that's going to be her only chance to go.

You should definitely ask a shayla but I would imagine it would be OK after chatzos when the halachaos of aveilus get less stringent (I.e. you can sit on chairs, say hello, learn Torah etc). You just might be feeling weak by then, depending on how well you fast.

shalhevet

Sat, Jul 21 2007, 4:00 pm

Marion wrote:

I would imagine it would be OK after chatzos when the halachaos of aveilus get less stringent (I.e. you can sit on chairs, say hello, learn Torah etc). You just might be feeling weak by then, depending on how well you fast.

You cannot say hello or learn Torah after chatzos either.
The only difference in the afternoon is that, as you mentioned, we can sit on regular chairs and that it is allowed to do necessary work (eg cooking for after the fast, washing dishes etc). Before chatzos you are not allowed to do anything which takes our mind off the mourning.

Yudit

Tue, Jul 24 2007, 5:20 pm

I would ask a rav

mali

Tue, Jul 24 2007, 8:28 pm

My husband sat Shiva last Tisha B'av. On Tisha B'av we all our mourners, so there's really no Shiva sitting or visiting. You cannot comfort someone when you yourself are mourning. On Tisha B'av people who are sitting Shiva go to Shul like the rest of the crowd, because we're all in the same situation.

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