Potty trained as newborn

purplegirl ↓

Sun, Jul 08 2007, 12:21 pm

Isn't it clear by now that in every decade the parenting advice changes? Baby on stomach, on back, on side, etc. This is not an exact science - no one can say for sure at what age a child is or is not ready for toilet training - except the mother herself, who can sense her child's temperament.

RivkaBatya wrote:

you are damaging your child if you try to push milestones on them that they are not ready for.

I contend that it's not to early to train a child from infancy. My parents are from the FSU (former Soviet Union), to corroborate what hadasa said, and both my brother and I were willingly trained by 1 year of age. If your child isn't ready, fine. But please don't say that children who are ready and are trained earlier are damaged. Sad

bashinda

Sun, Jul 08 2007, 4:38 pm

greenfire wrote:

shalhevet wrote:

I don't think it's the babies who are trained, but the mothers. Tongue Out

in definate agreement there ... while it is good to be intuned to our babies ... wow - that does seem a bit much ... when exactly is the mother breathing ... since infants do tend to be pishing all the time shock

can you imagine me doing that with my troupe? shock

happymom

Sun, Jul 08 2007, 4:44 pm

I always go to my baby as soon as he fusses. why wait till hes hysterical? thats a good thing but toilet training at 2 days? id rather wait till 2 years...

red sea

Sun, Jul 08 2007, 6:06 pm

I think its great if you can do it. I dont see all the pple of the countries who do that as standard parenting have damaged children. I do see in the US PullUps are coming in larger & larger sizes

GAMZu ↓

Sun, Jul 08 2007, 9:28 pm

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According to their shita you should not try before 2 1/4 at the earliest, preferably between 2 1/2 and 3.

Not to put anyone down, but that is the most absurd thing I ever heard!
How about not potty training until the child is ready, rather than specifying a standard age for all kids? My son was trained at 2 1/4. It never would've happened if I didn't introduce him to the process at 17 months. By then he was able to recognize his need to make and could could tell me if he needed to pee or poop (he knew the difference.) I got him a potty not long after and explained to him the process. He took to it right away, sitting when he had to, but he didn't want to take off his pants.
Then my baby was born, so the idea was put on a hiatus for 5 months- and when I tried again, he was trained in one day.
Each parent knows their child.

Babies actually communicate to their mothers their need to go by tugging on the clothing or some such... not so sure. And if ignored, they stop and surrender to the diaper.

Good for you, myheartalk, if you have the time and energy.
This has nothing to do with the downsides of training early, since the pressure is not on the child. "PUSHING" is forcing the child against his will. Which is not what the OP is doing (as her 6 month old asks to go) and that is not what I did when I started at 17 months.

↑ hadasa ↓

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 3:32 am

shalhevet wrote:

hadasa wrote:

In the FSU all babies are trained this way. But then, their mothers get one to three years maternity leave and are not likely to have another baby or two within this time period.

I don't think it's the babies who are trained, but the mothers. Tongue Out

There is some truth to this statement, but the fact remains that by one year, the kids are trained and know to ask to go to the potty.

BinahYeteirah ↓

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 5:25 am

I do this, too. Believe me, the baby tells me that she has to go. Once a baby, even a very small baby, knows that her parents will take her to the potty, she may even get upset if she isn't taken! I'm not doing it currently as my younger child, now 23 months, was fully trained at 17 months of age. That includes overnight. From that age she has told me clearly "potty" when she needs to go and I don't worry about it. I don't have to remind her to go or anything, I just take her when she asks and she has had maybe 5-6 accidents in the past 6 months (and some of those were my fault because I wasn't able to take her when she asked).

It's not for everyone, and it does take some work. Mostly I find that it is a change in perspective that is required. Once I thought differently about it, I didn't find it any more difficult or time-consuming than changing diapers. I also trained my now 5-year-old this way. She has never regressed and she is well-adjusted etc. There was never any pressure to train by a certain age or any negativity when accidents occurred. I imagine my children have endured less pressure surrounding this issue that many children whose mothers are desperate to train them before gan or an upshernish.

rainbow baby ↓

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 3:04 pm

anon wrote:

I think that is the funniest post I ever read on Imamother.

I agree are you sure this is serious? Listen if you want to save on using disposable nappies then use reusable ones. In a lot of countries they have services that come and collect your dirty nappies, clean them and then bring them back. It sounds a better idea then stressing each time the baby makes a sound that they are going to be needed to be taken to the toilet. So tell me how do you exactly potty train a 2 day old baby? Well each time they feed they wee loads of times, so in the middle of each feed do you stop it and take them to the toilet? If you do how do you know when they are going to wee and when you are going to have to take them to the toilet? How do you know when a baby is going to wee anyway, my babies have never looked like they are weeing unless you are going to hang the little baby over the toilet and sink permanately? So just do not understand the rational around this one, I've read plenty on here that I have not understood but this one I really do not understamd it seems crazy and not very logical. A baby is a baby and they should be allowed to be ones and not made to grow up to early, two days old does sound slightly over the top to potty train a baby. Ok this is my opinion sorry if no one likes it.

DefyGravity

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 3:15 pm

I saw something about this once on Discovery Channel. It looks terrible! Parents end up cleaning poop and pee all the time b/c they can't always anticipate when their child will need to go.

↑ rainbow baby

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 3:18 pm

That must be fun especially the babies first poo which is meconium, and we all now what that is like to try and tidy up. Wink

mummy-bh

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 3:29 pm

DefyGravity wrote:

I saw something about this once on Discovery Channel. It looks terrible! Parents end up cleaning poop and pee all the time b/c they can't always anticipate when their child will need to go.

I do not understand how this could be easier than changing a diaper?

↑ purplegirl

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 5:27 pm

jewishmamathebest wrote:

I really do not understamd it seems crazy and not very logical.

Ok this is my opinion sorry if no one likes it.

I wouldn't mind if it was more respectfully worded. Women on this thread have shared that they are interested in this or that they have seen it successfully implemented. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing politely, but to call others' opinions crazy or illogical is unkind Sad

I know you weren't trying to be mean - but it does sound unkind.

Mama Bear ↓

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 5:36 pm

mummy-bh wrote:

DefyGravity wrote:

I saw something about this once on Discovery Channel. It looks terrible! Parents end up cleaning poop and pee all the time b/c they can't always anticipate when their child will need to go.

I do not understand how this could be easier than changing a diaper?

in the diaper it's contained just in the diaper, it doesnt get all over everything the baby ahppens to be sitting near!

SouthernShalom

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 7:00 pm

I stressed and stressed over my girls going potty. I started training at 1 and was still training at 3 because each would regress when the next baby arrived. With my son I was so busy I said "he will learn eventually". I was so stressed I didn't care if he was 5. At 2 he decided he didn't like being wet and he wanted to be a big boy. He started going to the potty on his own. He is 5 now and only a handful of accidents ever. I think if I hadn't pushed the girls so hard they would have done the same.

lamplighter

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 7:02 pm

I don't think I could ever pull that one off.
kol hakovod if u find this imp to u and are successful. obviously, one would have to be a SAHM to do thsi sort of training, whihc is not somehitng everyone can do.

↑ BinahYeteirah ↓

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 7:40 pm

I will say that I do use diapers, yes, cloth ones. So there isn't pee or poop all over! I don't do it to save diapers, although that is a nice bonus. I do it because I personally think it is illogical to train your baby to pish in a diaper at birth then later untrain him from this and expect him to go in the toilet. I am not judging anyone who does this; I simply think of it as a cultural thing and this is my view. Babies like being clean and are aware from birth that they are going.

Little babies do pee a lot, but they actually go at predictable times. They are able to hold it for short periods and from only days or weeks old do so until they can go to the potty. For example, my babies didn't pee while nursing. If they need to go, they will stop nursing; this is one of their first "cues". Also, babies don't usually don't pee while actually asleep; they wake up when they need to go. Just like you would wake up if you need to go, they do, too. When babies and toddlers are used to peeing in their diapers, they might wake up a little, but they go right back to sleep because they are used to going in their pants.

Also, I will say that I don't consider my kids "trained" at 2 days old. If I know they need to go, I take them, if I miss it, no big deal. There were periods with my second daughter when this meant that we only used one or two diapers a day, other times we used lots. If one maintains a laid-back attitude, then there is no stress about it.

With my first child, I did work out of the home while doing this. I only worked part-time (from when she was 11.5 months to 22 months old), but when she was at the babysitter's house she wore diapers and used them like any other child. At home she didn't need them from about one year of age, although I do admit that she had more accidents than her sister, perhaps due to inconsistency. She almost never (maybe once or twice) went number two in her diaper from about 8 months. That alone was worth it to me!

I don't think that this forces babies to "grow up" at all. My babies are still very much babies; they are lovingly helped by their mother to go. I take them and wipe them, just like you change diapers (although there is less wiping involved, B"H).

Elimination is a very basic bodily need; it seems logical to me that this is one of the first things that baby will gradually learn to do for him or herself. Never before in history have children been still in diapers at 3-4-5 years of age. This is primarily because of disposable diapers and modern washing machines making it easier for parents to put off toilet training until it is convenient for them. Children today often learn Aleph-Bais and other "academic" information before they can even control their bowels. This is out of order if you ask me (although I am in full support of kids learning holy info as soon as possible).

↑ Mama Bear

Mon, Jul 09 2007, 7:59 pm

bina, I think the mothers who train their kids at age 2 have the perfect balance. they dont have to stress and worry about toilet training while the kids are still babies, but by the time they start learning alef bais they are trained. just my two cents.

↑ shopaholic

Tue, Jul 10 2007, 12:21 pm

JMTB - you put it so well Smile

I would LOVE to watch something on this rather than read it. I'm very intrigued, although I'd never do it.

ChavieK

Tue, Jul 10 2007, 1:08 pm

Some kids in general are easier to "train" then others. I had 2girls who trained themselves before age 2. 1 of my boys at his 2nd b-day told me he was trained. Then one of my boys was completly ready & in control & refused to use the toilet.Just after his 3rd b-day he saw a toy he wanted.We made a deal & the next day he was fully out of diapers & no accidents.
Some kids hate the feel of wet diapers. Part of the reason kids are trained later is b/c the diapers are so absorbant that the wetness doesn't bother them.

mimsy7420 ↓

Thu, Jul 12 2007, 9:29 am

I thought babies that young don't have the muscles to hold it in when they need to go. So whats the point of doing it? You aren't training them, because they are too young physically to learn.