Dybbuk in Toronto?!

Motek ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 5:00 pm

anybody here from Toronto?

I heard quite a wild story about a woman who was possessed and how Rabbi Immanuel Shochet helped get rid of the demon, a story that supposedly just happened! Can anybody verify this story?

↑ Motek ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 5:45 pm

I heard the story but don't want to repeat it until I know that it really happened. I heard it from someone who heard it from someone who heard it ...

gryp ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:01 pm

ok Motek, youve got us all curious...
do I have to call Immanuel Shochet myself to find out...? Very Happy

Sunshine ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:15 pm

These stories all sound strange. Do you really believe in them? I thought there are no more shin daleds and stuff like that anymore. How can something like this happen it makes no sense and scares a lot of ppl. I had nightmares from the other story in E"Y.

ForeverYoung ↓
Guest

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:16 pm

please!

Sheidim are not allowed to touch people now
(unless people start up 1st)

↑ gryp ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:21 pm

what does a dybbuk have to do with a shin-daled?
the outcome of the story in israel a few years ago was that it was made up by some frum people who wanted to scare not-frum people into keeping shabbos.
I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss a story of a dybbuk.

↑ ForeverYoung ↓
Guest

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:23 pm

do you see how you're self-contradicting?

Quote:

a few years ago was that it was made up <...> I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss a story of a dybbuk.

↑ gryp ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:28 pm

Quote:

do you see how you're self-contradicting?

im sorry you see it that way.
to clarify: I believed that story like many did until we found out the truth about it. but there are many many other dybbuk stories I heard and they are TRUE.

↑ Motek ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:35 pm

RG wrote:

it was made up by some frum people who wanted to scare not-frum people into keeping shabbos.

says who? not challenging, just want to know the source for that

and whether or not we find dybbuks scary will not make them more or less real!

there is a documented story about the Chofetz Chaim exorcising a dybbuk - I think it's even in the Artscroll bio

and yes RG! I'd be thrilled to have you report to us directly from I.S. himself!

↑ ForeverYoung ↓
Guest

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:37 pm

and since than the sheidim are banned, b/c after him nobody has the power to deal with them.

Just like the taiva for avoda zara was taken away b/c we cannot dial w/ it

↑ Motek ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:39 pm

ForeverYoung wrote:

and since than the sheidim are banned, b/c after him nobody has the power to deal with them.

since the Chofetz Chaim?! who says that?

↑ ForeverYoung
Guest

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:40 pm

sorry, no references, don't remember, but you can double check - I got to run now

ttyl

↑ gryp

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 6:41 pm

im still not sure what a shin-daled has to do with a dybbuk...

↑ Sunshine ↓

Thu, Apr 14 2005, 8:58 pm

Aren't they like from the same category of spirits making trouble. What is the source of dybokk? Shin Daled it mentions were in the days of the Bal Shem Tov and are not arround anymore.

↑ Tefila

Fri, Apr 15 2005, 12:41 am

I think this may have happend yeeeeeears ago!

Last edited by Tefila on Sun, Apr 17 2005, 3:26 pm; edited 1 time in total

↑ Motek ↓

Fri, Apr 15 2005, 11:41 am

ForeverYoung wrote:

sorry, no references, don't remember, but you can double check

I checked.

nothing changed since the Chofetz Chaim in this regard, and it is not at all similar to the taiva for avoda zara that was taken away.

Rivka ↓

Sun, Apr 17 2005, 6:41 am

dybuks are not shin daleds, they are souls of people who have died and were so bad they couldn't go anywhere, so they are left in limbo and constantly trying to get out of it by looking for "weak" prey. This means if someone is weak in their spiritual side. When a Dybuk possesses it is also a parasite to the person being possessed.
Yes it can happen now-days, but like that story in Israel, I wouldn';t be quick to believe them because they are quite rare. But let us know if it is true or not.