Lakewood - anyone still school-less?

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 11:45 am

amother wrote:

Rabonim in Lakewood are not starting and opening up new schools. Whoever wrote that is wrong. It's individual people who are opening up schools because hey want to and they go to the rabbonim for approval and haskamos.
The rabbonim of this town are not going a thing to open up new schools.

Your children do suffer in a new school. First of all the new school gets last choice with busing for example this year the schools with less of a say have to start earlier and also the new schools don't have the resources and tools to help a child if he/she needs help. An established school can help your child so much more.
Bh my children are in the best schools in Lakewood but I can totally understand why someone wouldn't want to go to the new school. Being in an amazing . .Established school I see the advantages

Excuse my naïveté . What makes them the best ??
I will bet a months salary that they are still getting an abysmal secular education
Ask your children what abysmal means
And none of these kids are the Gra either
If my husband farhered any of them I'm sure he would be very depressed

↑ June ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 12:07 pm

amother wrote:

But if say you send to a new school and your daughter has a reading problem. On a new school they don't have the resources and the tutors to help your child. In a school school you will have to pay out of pocket for tutors and they might make a bigger issue out of issues because they don't know how to deal with your child.
Your right if your child is smart and does well then a new school can be great for your child.
I fought to get my kid in an established school and bh I did. My child is top in reading and never would have been that way in a new school that didn't have the tools to help my child.

idk about new schools now, but my school had a resource room, even when we were new. it wasn't catapult, can't remember what it was now.

also, I would assume that someone who starts a school has extensive experience in chinuch and knows how to deal with issues - academic or otherwise. obviously, you should look into the credentials of any person who opens a school, and if they don't have (enough) experience, stay far away.

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 12:17 pm

June wrote:

Um yeah, why do you think we are staying far away? What do you consider adequate credentials anyway? Teaching second grade makes someone principal material?

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 12:23 pm

You just have to be some big Rosh Yeshivas grand daughter, have very lil experience teaching , no degrees or certifications..

Then, if someone says , So, Rochel Leah, what are you teaching today... You smile and very snarky and smug say " Oh, lots of things "

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 12:47 pm

amother wrote:

This exactly

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 12:56 pm

I don't get it.

Each and every school that start's is started with someone with more or less the same qualifications. The majority of Principal's in this town do not have degree's or any "professional" qualification's.

That's not the way it work's here.

If you do not feel comfortable with that or are looking for a different type of education for your child then the one provided by the typical Lakewood school, then why would continue living here?
And why would you be trying to send you child to a school here?
And on top of that why would you really excpect a school to want to take your child in when you feel that they are not qualified to be teaching your child?

And if you do feel that the school's are qualified then what more do you want the Rabbonim or Askanim to be doing for your child?

Again theres plenty of bashing going on and plenty of attacking all those who are trying to help but so far no one can offer a single idea of what they should be doing that they are not already.

Oh and that poster who said that the Rabbonim and Askonim are not involved in opening new school have zero idea of what is going on.

↑ monseychick ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 1:04 pm

amother wrote:

I dont know, maybe some people have this notion in their head that they want to like in a mokom Torah, or at the very least an affordable Orthodox community, and still send their child to a school thats prepares them to be a functioning member of soceity... How silly of them

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 1:10 pm

So they want to live a community that has an educational system they do not like and it's the Rabbonim and Askonim ( who set up that eduacational system and are quite fond of it) of that community who are at fault with not setting up school's that they do like?

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 1:15 pm

Oh and that poster who said that the Rabbonim and Askonim are not involved in opening new school have zero idea of what is going on.[/quote]
Well then please enlighten me. My child is not in school yet and all the rabbanim and askanim have told me is I must learn to compromise, it's a very important thing for your children to see that you're willing to be flexible.
They are implying that the school they'd like my daughter to attend is not up to par, yet the responsibility lies with me. What am I missing? And where we the above mentioned rabbanim in November when we all got rejected to school? Why are they superficially waking up in the end of August when this issue has escalated into a crisis?

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 1:17 pm

amother wrote:

This is kind of off topic. None of us here waiting to get our children in school have ever expressed anything along these lines. We just were trying to explain Why the new schools may not be ideal choices as a number of them have staff members that don't belong in the educational realm.

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 1:26 pm

I don't se how you can say that the new school's opening up have staff member's that do not belong in the "educational realm".

If you mean in term's of the educational realm of the outside world, well the same is true for most of the people in education in the yeshivish/ chassidic world. We have a different system, we look for different qualifications, and we have different educational goals.

If that is not for you that's fine, but you really should not be looking to send to the school's of that system.

If however you mean they are not qualified along Yeshivah line's. Well I think that's really unfair to them, as they actually are pretty qualified and experienced in a teaching capacity and the askanim and administration's of other school's try and make sure they have all the resources they need at their disposal.

If you mean that they have never actually run a school and therefore it's a risk.
I 100% agree with you, I think most Rabbonim and Askonim themselve's will agree with you.
However again what do you want the Rabbonim and Askonim to do?
What are they able to do other then try and keep opening more school's to try and keep up with the town's growth?

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 1:47 pm

Just to add,
I souldn't have just said that I agree with you that a new school is a risk.

As a parent I know that I am thankful I did not have to send my children to "new" school's and I know that if I would have I would've been really nervous about it. I defintley would have been working like crazy to try to avoid it. B"h I was not in that position.

I really feel for those that are, even if it end's up working out usually (at least with the the families I am friends with and were in that position).

I fully understand and support all the effort's being made to "get out of it".

However from the Rabbonim or Askonim's stand point I really can not figure out what they are suppposed to do differently.

And if you had a good solution for them. By all mean's tell them they are accessible and will listen. Rav Malkiel Kotler in particular will listen to anyone who knock's on his door and if you have a good solution for him that will let him actually learn and prepare for Elul zman like he is supposed to, trust me he'll listen.

He doesn't like haveing to be up 16 hour's a day dealing with this sad situation, he does'nt like getting yelled at from right, left, and center no matter what he does. he doesn't like having to fight with school administrator's every year trying to get them to take "just one more".

And trust me Menashe Frankel and co. would rather be able to focus on their business then basically be on forced vacation for a month+ before school open's along with the other askonim who are trying desperatly to take care of this.

imaima

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 3:35 pm

amother wrote:

Proud Lakewood amother in Monsey it is not as bad. I have tons of family in Monsey and there has never been a story of a child home until Chanukah and no school caring. It might be hard to get into school in Monsey but the sickness and callousness of what goes on in Lakewood is unheard of. It's a power struggle in Lakewood.

And yes I had a hard time getting into schools in Lakewood until they found out whot relative was. My husband wanted to get in on his own merit and didn't believe we wouldn't get in on our own right away. The schools thought we Weren't a good fit for them until they found out who our relative was and suddenly every school wanted us.

Do I understand it correctly? You say the parents held daugjter at home till chanukah because they didnt want to send in a new school. Twi oages ago people were saying that new schools have to be opened.
So someone opened a new school, and those parents refused to send there - whose fault is that? Why is vaad wrong again?

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 7:39 pm

imaima wrote:

I guess you don't know some of the askanim of Lakewood they live for this a whole year and they love the power of people begging them to help them. I know people who offered to take over these askanims jobs and trust me the askanim or shall we say some askanim love this job. There are many people in Lakewood who are trying so hard to get into helping get into school and be involved in being a powerful person in Lakewood.

Rabbi Makiel Kotler I will agree is extremely chashuv and does not enjoy doing this.

↑ amotherof3

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 8:01 pm

I am the mother that started this thread. I started this thread to find out specifically if anyone knew about the new school and to see how any people were still without a school. Although my daughter is still without a school, I am BEGGING everyone to please refrain from saying bad things about Lakewood or the Vaad on this thread. It should be a Zechus for Aharon ben Chulda (the missing Lakewood bochur in e"y) and for Rivka Weinman (the five year old girl niftar this afternoon). Thanks![b]

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Aug 24 2014, 9:00 pm

I really feel for the amothers that don't have a place for their sons for this year. I keep on thinking how my son for the past week is counting down every day until yeshiva starts and he is so excited. How does a school not feel bad for a parent when they come knocking at their door two days before school starts. How could a school not feel bad that a mother puts her son to bed at night and can't even tell him where he will be going in three days. I hope everyone gets into a school tonight.