Nechemya Weberman charged with abusing 12 yr old girl

↑ Hatemywig

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:11 pm

ynmets wrote:

Just as a by the way :

"NOBODY" in the Williamsburg community believes this girl, and doubts this man's innocence.
Well, of course besides for these guys protesting in front of the event ( watch the media clips) and the girl and her boyfriends ( and most of yous on Imamother).

And that's not because we want to "protect the abusers". If we know and have any doubt that a man is guilty, he will never get thousands of supporters( watch the clips) to help him pay his legal fees.

Now all of you will bash me "who told you so".
Well if you don't live in Willy please don't even bother to ask that question. If you do, go ahead and say I'm wrong.

and in English?

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:12 pm

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

Clarissa and ora_43: I guess I can't say don't see male therapists as a general rule since in other communities interaction between men and woman is normal so these men can deal with it better( maybe)., but it's definitely like that in our real ultra frum community. Having such delicate heart to heart talks arouse s-xtual feelings (wrong?).. Im not saying " never see a male doc or clerk"..

I have been seeing a frum male therapist for 4 years and he has never touched me. He closes the door. Once, I had to bring my baby with me and the baby got fussy so he left the room so I could nurse.

↑ Luv2hearfromu ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:14 pm

ynmets wrote:

Wrong. I live in willi and there are plenty of ppl who side the girl. Rabanim too..
U can't make general statements on an entire community.

↑ Luv2hearfromu ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:17 pm

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

I have been seeing a frum male therapist for 4 years and he has never touched me. He closes the door. Once, I had to bring my baby with me and the baby got fussy so he left the room so I could nurse.

Well I didn't think it always happen just saying that there are chances..

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:19 pm

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

I have been seeing a frum male therapist for 4 years and he has never touched me. He closes the door. Once, I had to bring my baby with me and the baby got fussy so he left the room so I could nurse.

Well I didn't think it always happen just saying that there are chances..

Anything can happen. Be educated. Educate your children. Woman can be molesters too btw.

↑ Luv2hearfromu ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:39 pm

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

I have been seeing a frum male therapist for 4 years and he has never touched me. He closes the door. Once, I had to bring my baby with me and the baby got fussy so he left the room so I could nurse.

Well I didn't think it always happen just saying that there are chances..

Anything can happen. Be educated. Educate your children. Woman can be molesters too btw.

Is it that tough to refrain from seeing a male therapist? Aren't there enough good female therapist? And I don't see where awareness and precaution contradict each other

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:42 pm

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

I have been seeing a frum male therapist for 4 years and he has never touched me. He closes the door. Once, I had to bring my baby with me and the baby got fussy so he left the room so I could nurse.

Well I didn't think it always happen just saying that there are chances..

Anything can happen. Be educated. Educate your children. Woman can be molesters too btw.

Is it that tough to refrain from seeing a male therapist? Aren't there enough good female therapist? And I don't see where awareness and precaution contradict each other

Well, if anything happened, it would not go on for 3 years. Lets put it that way. And I chose the best. Regardless of what their gender may be. As I do for a doctor...

↑ Luv2hearfromu ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:48 pm

black sheep wrote:

I have to agree that a teenage girl should not go to a male therapist. many men would not take advantage of a vulnerable, impressionable teenager, but why risk it? there is a certain level of emotional intimacy that exists in long term therapy, and a teenage girl should not form this kind of relationship with an adult male.

Thank you black sheep.. I was gonna start thinking that I'm too extreme..

↑ Luv2hearfromu

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:53 pm

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

Luv2hearfromu wrote:

I have been seeing a frum male therapist for 4 years and he has never touched me. He closes the door. Once, I had to bring my baby with me and the baby got fussy so he left the room so I could nurse.

Well I didn't think it always happen just saying that there are chances..

Anything can happen. Be educated. Educate your children. Woman can be molesters too btw.

Is it that tough to refrain from seeing a male therapist? Aren't there enough good female therapist? And I don't see where awareness and precaution contradict each other

Well, if anything happened, it would not go on for 3 years. Lets put it that way. And I chose the best. Regardless of what their gender may be. As I do for a doctor...

U gotta do what u feel is right for u. Just wanted to bring an awareness that's all..

beckster

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:54 pm

Mama Bear wrote:

PEOPLE.... CHILL. Reading this thread is like reading a game of broken telephone. Youre all taking each others' posts out of context and building up a huge mountain of molehills here.... I am going to prepare supper now and then come back and write an essay explaining everything as I understand it, and hopefully, most of the misinformation and mudslinging here WILL STOP. Please, people, chill until you've heard out my voice of reason. I believe I'm perfectly well balanced between loving and defending my community and being realistic about the big bad world out there, unlike many of the other local yokels posting here. So give me an hour or so and I'll write my thoughts. K? Til then, please behave and can the insults and rhetoric.

Over and out. Peace.

You might want to rethink that

↑ Mama Bear ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 8:56 pm

The Jungreisz story is disturbing to me for a different reason. The perp, Meir D., has been in a state psychiatric facility for a year already. he is off the streets. Why is Mr. Jungreisz hocking a tchainik about this now? it's over, bH - the molester, a person who shouldve been off the street ages ago, he is unfortunately sick in the head! - will never see the light of day again, no one is harrassing Mr. Jungreisz anymore. So I don't know what's going on there, other than to jump on the 'everyone supports the molesters!' bandwagon. No one ever supported this Meir, just go to the web sites that report on these things, I've been reading all night long! and this guy was never going to go scot free. I feel awful for Jungreisz, I finally figured out who he is, I know his wife from way back when and my heart breaks over his whole life situation - the special needs kids, the fight to get this sicko behind bars. But it's over now, so I dont understand why the big stink right now.

↑ Maya ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 9:01 pm

Mama Bear wrote:

I'm guessing because being an activist is not about what's happening to you at the moment. It's about raising awareness and convincing others to also have the courage to report and do what's right.

Merrymom ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 9:40 pm

Can anyone think of a single person around aged 12 that was proven to have fabricated a molestation story? Call me naive, but I don't think someone of that age can even posess the language to describe rape and molestation. Even if they had a prior se*ual relationship. I would think that's something that's very difficult to describe in detail without it being true, especially at that age. I'm sure all these details will come out in court. Has anybody here read the court transcripts from the Wagschal daughter. Do any of you doubt her story after reading that kind of detail? Yes, they said the same thing about her, that she had a boyfriend.

It seems to me that if I were a molester c"v, an absolutely ideal "job" for me would be to work in a school environment of as a therapist. There I'd get all the access to all the troubled kids I could dream about, and guess what? I'd be perfectly safe, because who are you going to believe, old respectable me or rebellious, possibly provactively dressed little "bums"? Who would believe that my yetzer hara is so out of control that I'd risk my family, my job, and my reputation on a "skanky" little girl? Nobody, right? It's absolutely ideal isn't it?

↑ sequoia ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 10:01 pm

That's right, merrymom. They specifically prey on the rebellious and the vulnerable.

Don't forget that Lolita hated her mother and Humbert Humbert took advantage of that to seduce her. He immediately saw Lolita as potential prey because of her rebellious attitude. A rebellious child or teenager is by definition more vulnerable because they resist going to their parents or other authority figures if they have a problem. And they tend to view the world as very black-and-white, which means that if parents and teachers are "bad," then this man must be "good." They are a prime target.

↑ black sheep ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 10:11 pm

Merrymom wrote:

I have read that people do not fabricate a story of being abused. I guess it could happen, but anyway in this case, the girl is not the one that even reported him, it was another therapist who smelled a rat. it is difficult for me to even think how in this case it never really happened. it would mean the girl was smart enough to manipulate her new therapist into believing she was raped by weberman, and that she knew that he or she would have to report it. it would require a strong knowledge of the law, of molestation, and of psychology, not to mention subtle mind manipulation which any "messed up girl" as they are trying to portray her, would not be capable of. I guess the "other side" should be attacking the therapist that reported it, not the girl. I'm all for being dan lekaf zechus, but that doesn't mean attacking the girl. I guess it doesn't really matter to us if he really did it or not, but to those attacking the girl's character because her new therapist reported something, well, that certainly doesn't fall under the category of innocent until proven guilty. maybe some people think that means it's their job to prove that someone else is guilty.....

↑ Mama Bear ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 10:52 pm

she's sixteen now. the alleged abuse happened between ages twelve and fifteen.

Trust me, she is very worldly. She is not a naive sheltered girl by any long shot. I'm not saying she made up this story; just refuting your assumption that she doesn't know these things bc she's young.

In any case, this story has given me so much heartache that I'm bowing out of the discussion; I prefer to think about less nauseating things...

↑ imamiri ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 10:56 pm

Mama Bear wrote:

Worldly? Does that mean she was asking for it? Or that she cannot be trusted? Sick and twisted. Step outside the box and no one believes if someone hurts you?

The fundraiser made national print and television news. Now the nation and world think Jews are sickos who want to help perverts. Now those of us not affiliated with these perverts have to spend who knows how long explaining we aren't like "them". We don't support child molesters. We don't shun victims. Thanks a bunch.

We need to stop fearing the "non jews" because we are doing an excellent job of making ourselves out to be monsters.