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↑ shalhevet ↓

Mon, Oct 02 2006, 8:20 pm

And if you have $3 to spare, you could send it somewhere like Yad Eliezer. They could buy supper for a Jewish family in Israel who don't have enough to eat.

ny21 ↓

Mon, Oct 02 2006, 9:50 pm

I agree with brooklyn - just give out some candy.

the children will not understand what you are even talking about when you
do not give them candy .

↑ leomom ↓

Mon, Oct 02 2006, 10:54 pm

If the custom on Xmas was for kids to go door to door collecting Xmas cookies from everyone... would we start baking Xmas cookies? Confused

I don't really see why this is different. There's no need to be rude to the kids or to give any explanation (unless they ask, in which case you can just say, "Sorry, I don't celebrate Halloween"). In this age of multiculturalism, I think most people get that. Kids too.

chavamom ↓

Mon, Oct 02 2006, 11:17 pm

We buy candy to give out. Dh is a rabbi and he looked into it. He told me that R. Ya'akov Kamentzky gave out candy, so we have some pretty chashuv "shoulders" to rely on.

healthymama ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 12:18 am

That is very interesting chavamom, can you ask your husband to cite the sefer or how he knows that, please. Thanks very much.

And to everyone in this thread who does not think that we should be giving out candy, are there any Jewish holidays or minhagim that inconvience our neighbors that they still have to put up with ? I think so.

↑ leomom ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 12:34 am

Well, I actually don't think people shouldn't give out candy. I don't have anything against people doing that if they want to. But I think it's a personal decision, and certainly no one should feel that they must participate in Halloween. It's fine to politely decline to be part of it. It is not our holiday.

It's not a matter of "putting up with" someone else's holiday or being "inconvenienced" by it. We are talking about feeling compelled to participate in it.

↑ amother ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 12:35 am

Rabbi Yakov Kamentzky was my next door neighbor for years. I wonder where your husband got that information from. Yes, he would give us frum neighborhood kids lollypops but dunno about halloween. Please check your source.

↑ chavamom ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 1:46 am

Sure, I'll ask him, though I think he was told it by a family member.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 7:41 am

momoftwins wrote:

I agree with brooklyn - just give out some candy.

the children will not understand what you are even talking about when you
do not give them candy .

what do you mean? just do not open the door and then there will be no problems.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 7:43 am

mummyof6 wrote:

brooklyn wrote:

What is the big deal about spending three dollars for a big bag of candy to give out to your neighbors. Maybe they will think more highly of the jews that they give out candy even though it is not their holiday and therefore you will make a kiddush hashem.

It's interesting how some posters are giving a psak what is a kiddush/chilul Hashem. Please go and look up what the halachic (as opposed to the popularistic) definition of Kiddush Hashem is. Kiddush Hashem is not doing what the non-Jew down the street thinks is a nice way to behave.

Why is it a kiddush Hashem to celebrate a pagan holiday?
A kiddush Hashem is to do a mitzva.

I agree with you totally mummyof6. holloween and giving candy to little children who are not looking to see if there is a mezuza on the door is not a chilul/liddush hashem.

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And if you have $3 to spare, you could send it somewhere like Yad Eliezer. They could buy supper for a Jewish family in Israel who don't have enough to eat

amen to that as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a very very very good cause.

↑ brooklyn ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 7:55 am

mummyof6 wrote:

brooklyn wrote:

Well it's nice to see that Yom Kippur had no effect on people on this board. I think that you should look up the definition of kiddush hashem. It is not only doing a mitzvah, we are also prohibitted from doing anything that will make people talk bad about us as Jews, and yes to the other poster who said how will they know if we are Jews, I think the mezuzah on the door kind of gives it away. If all it takes from keeping the non jewish neighbors from saying "those darn Jews don't even give kids candy on holloween" is buying a small bag of candy, which can be kosher so your kids can have any leftovers, then I will do it.

Also don't preach to me about giving money to poor Jewish families as you have no right and no idea of how many Jewish charities I do support. A G'mar tov to you.

↑ shabbatiscoming

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 8:20 am

brooklyn wrote:

mummyof6 wrote:

brooklyn wrote:

my point was that most children who go door to door do not even realize if there is a mezuza or not.................................

but I agree with the poster who mentioned chrismas cookies. what, we should start baking cookies in case some ppl come carolling at our door "erev" chrismas? I think not.
the non jewish holidays are just NOT for us. thats all, plain and simple....

as I said earlier, I looove living in Israel so that all of the holidays are MY holidays, and they are THE national holidays:)

de_goldy ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 8:35 am

If only we all kept the Jewish holidays the way we should without worrying so much about the non jewish ones.

↑ brooklyn ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 8:44 am

Well good for you, but I don't live in E"Y and most of my neighbors are not Jewish and truthfully I get along very well with them. They are always there if we need help with something as we are for them. In other words neighbors. So again I will say what is the big deal to give out a little candy. I guess if some of you want to move back into the shtetle or ghetto so that you can live your little lives looking through rose colored glasses good for you. I prefer to live in the real world and do what obviously is only my opinion a kiddush hashem in my own way.

Oh and by the way a non jewish kid came to my house on Shabbat and asked if I would buy some candy for his school. He right away told me that it was kosher so I guess he did notice the mezuzah. When I told him that I couldn't buy any today he said oh because of Shabbos right. So these kids know more than you think they do.

↑ shalhevet ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 8:53 am

brooklyn wrote:

mummyof6 wrote:

brooklyn wrote:

Well it's nice to see that Yom Kippur had no effect on people on this board.

Good that you know.

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I think that you should look up the definition of kiddush hashem. It is not only doing a mitzvah, we are also prohibitted from doing anything that will make people talk bad about us as Jews,

That's just not true. Say you live in a neighbourhood where people only like liars or everyone is a member of the Mafia. They will talk badly about Jews if you don't behave like them. It also doesn't mean that Jews have to mark pagan holidays. If I lived in America I would ask a shaila if it is even permitted to mark this holiday in any way. Maybe having an Xmas tree will make your neighbours feel good about you.

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Also don't preach to me about giving money to poor Jewish families as you have no right and no idea of how many Jewish charities I do support.

I wasn't preaching. I was just observing that the emphasis was on it's only $3. Even if someone gives a million dollars, they can always give a million and three.

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A G'mar tov to you.

And to you.

↑ brooklyn ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 9:43 am

[quote="mummyof6"][quote="brooklyn"]

mummyof6 wrote:

brooklyn wrote:

Well it's nice to see that Yom Kippur had no effect on people on this board.

Quote:

I think that you should look up the definition of kiddush hashem. It is not only doing a mitzvah, we are also prohibitted from doing anything that will make people talk bad about us as Jews,

mummyof6 wrote:

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That's just not true. Say you live in a neighbourhood where people only like liars or everyone is a member of the Mafia. They will talk badly about Jews if you don't behave like them. It also doesn't mean that Jews have to mark pagan holidays. If I lived in America I would ask a shaila if it is even permitted to mark this holiday in any way. Maybe having an Xmas tree will make your neighbours feel good about you.

As usual people speak about things that they know nothing about. It is not about making your neighbors feel good about you, it is about doing the right thing. If your non Jewish neighbor came to you on Chanuka or Rosh Hashana or any other Yom Tov and gives you a cake that they went out of their way to get from a kosher bakery. They give it to you and say Happy Holiday, they do that because they are your neighbor and they like you, Why shouldn't I reciprocate on there holidays. Maybe I am just lucky that I live in an area where I can have non Jewish neighbors who can respect me as a Jew and I can respect them for whatever religion they are. Honestly I wish that my Jewish neighbors were half as nice as my non Jewish ones are. At least they are not judgemental.

↑ de_goldy ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 9:53 am

brooklyn wrote:

Maybe I am just lucky that I live in an area where I can have non Jewish neighbors who can respect me as a Jew and I can respect them for whatever religion they are.

You can respect them without trying to join them.

↑ brooklyn ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 9:55 am

since when is common courtesy the same as joining them?

↑ brooklyn ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 9:57 am

Do any of you live in the real world? What do you do if you work for a company that has an annual holidy party? Do you not go because it is a non jewish thing and it pas nisht. or do you realize that it is the right thing to go even for a little while because it just should be done?

↑ de_goldy ↓

Tue, Oct 03 2006, 9:58 am

Going out of your way to give out halloween candy is far more than "common courtesy".

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