Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
1) Kitov - there are still people who think that even with all the explanations about how chassidim need to send their kids to camp because the Rebbe this and that and the third thing, there are still posters like me and others who will ask: "if camp is necessary to continue learning for boys, and there are more and more families who can't afford it and need to take zedoko, why are the community leaders today, the rabbonim and mechanchim perpetuating a situation which requires more and more people to take zedoko instead of moving the "camp" back to the city to cut costs? I go back to my explanation of why so many people including rabbonim and the "Fresh Air Fund" thought that camp was important in the 1940s and 50s. Because of epidemics during the summer in the city. Punkt.
We no longer have summer epidemics of polio, TB and other choleras (literally) like that. So why can't one have a learning "camp" in the school building inside the city? Because you don't have "grounds"? Too bad. There are public parks and if an entire school of boys goes there to play on an outing (I know day camps that used to do that in my time in Queens) the ruach can be kept frum etc. They can't take public transportation? I have to pay for someone elses shmiras einayim with my zedoko so that he can rent a private bus?
2) I think that Saw is saying some very important things. And from a psychological point of view one could ask, "what makes a person think that their choices are so important that they would rather take charity to pay for them, rather than to make drastic changes in their lifestyle in order to be able to afford these choices?"
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
1) Kitov - there are still people who think that even with all the explanations about how chassidim need to send their kids to camp because the Rebbe this and that and the third thing, there are still posters like me and others who will ask: "if camp is necessary to continue learning for boys, and there are more and more families who can't afford it and need to take zedoko, why are the community leaders today, the rabbonim and mechanchim perpetuating a situation which requires more and more people to take zedoko instead of moving the "camp" back to the city to cut costs? I go back to my explanation of why so many people including rabbonim and the "Fresh Air Fund" thought that camp was important in the 1940s and 50s. Because of epidemics during the summer in the city. Punkt.
We no longer have summer epidemics of polio, TB and other choleras (literally) like that. So why can't one have a learning "camp" in the school building inside the city? Because you don't have "grounds"? Too bad. There are public parks and if an entire school of boys goes there to play on an outing (I know day camps that used to do that in my time in Queens) the ruach can be kept frum etc. They can't take public transportation? I have to pay for someone elses shmiras einayim with my zedoko so that he can rent a private bus?
2) I think that Saw is saying some very important things. And from a psychological point of view one could ask, "what makes a person think that their choices are so important that they would rather take charity to pay for them, rather than to make drastic changes in their lifestyle in order to be able to afford these choices?"
I agree with that but at the same time I can sympathize with those mothers who have trouble coping. Life can be rough and sometimes unforeseen circumstances come up. However I do agree that lifestyle changes and planning should be encouraged in a gentle and sensitive way.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
I seriously doubt that... 8)
Please don't disillusion me.
If you made it through 94+ pages that ship has sailed 8)
Oh, dear.
I wouldn't want to miss the boat or sail under false colors, but you're knocking the wind out of my sails. I guess we're all in the same boat, so I will trim my sails and tack to starboard, being careful not to rock the boat while I sail off into the sunset.
Lunch was a bowl of soup at 1 pm. I arrived home at 4:10, by then I was famished again.
From a fast food place? Water with a lot of salt, mostly. You should order something with protein and vegetables. Like a veggie pizza and milk. Or quiche and orange juice. Or a bagel, cream cheese, lox and sliced tomatoes. Or a tuna melt and salad.
Ok. It took me a couple of hours to catch up and wow. I think "wow" sums it up. Offering advice is ok, especially if the advice is requested. Sometimes sympathy and compassion is preferred. Sometimes when someone feels validated they can find the inner strength to find their own solutions. Just my two cents...
So can I ask you for tzedaka now????
I'm sure you have a valid reason for asking but unfortunately my financial situation is such that I can not offer you that kind of help right now. Ha'levay that all our financial situations should improve, and we can all afford to give but nobody has to ask. 8)
Isramom remember we were just told that we shouldn't give advice to people who didn't ask? Did she ask about the soup? Does she need to know the sodium count? Tell us how today went with Mommy Kaytana...
1) Kitov - there are still people who think that even with all the explanations about how chassidim need to send their kids to camp because the Rebbe this and that and the third thing, there are still posters like me and others who will ask: "if camp is necessary to continue learning for boys, and there are more and more families who can't afford it and need to take zedoko, why are the community leaders today, the rabbonim and mechanchim perpetuating a situation which requires more and more people to take zedoko instead of moving the "camp" back to the city to cut costs? I go back to my explanation of why so many people including rabbonim and the "Fresh Air Fund" thought that camp was important in the 1940s and 50s. Because of epidemics during the summer in the city. Punkt.
We no longer have summer epidemics of polio, TB and other choleras (literally) like that. So why can't one have a learning "camp" in the school building inside the city? Because you don't have "grounds"? Too bad. There are public parks and if an entire school of boys goes there to play on an outing (I know day camps that used to do that in my time in Queens) the ruach can be kept frum etc. They can't take public transportation? I have to pay for someone elses shmiras einayim with my zedoko so that he can rent a private bus?
2) I think that Saw is saying some very important things. And from a psychological point of view one could ask, "what makes a person think that their choices are so important that they would rather take charity to pay for them, rather than to make drastic changes in their lifestyle in order to be able to afford these choices?"
I agree with that but at the same time I can sympathize with those mothers who have trouble coping. Life can be rough and sometimes unforeseen circumstances come up. However I do agree that lifestyle changes and planning should be encouraged in a gentle and sensitive way.
Even though I seem kind of cold on here, I'm not.
I absolutely believe in helping those who can't cope, but that doesn't always mean throwing money at the problem. I would rather help people learn how to cope than to pay for their kids camp, even if it costs more. Its a better, long term solution.
Its like teaching a man to fish. Sometimes he needs to be taught, sometimes he needs the fish.
But I still maintain if you are choosing SAHM as your profession, watching your own kids for a few weeks should be feasible instead of choosing tzedaka.
Isramom remember we were just told that we shouldn't give advice to people who didn't ask? Did she ask about the soup? Does she need to know the sodium count? Tell us how today went with Mommy Kaytana...
Don't tell me you're going to listen to my unsolicited advice .
But seriously, don't do anything too extreme. You're a Jewish grandmother and Israeli to boot, if you try to go too long without giving unsolicited advice you could do yourself harm.
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