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↑ zuncompany

Tue, Feb 01 2005, 6:25 pm

het bat7- as your biggest fan (and I mamish mean that!) when is number two coming out?!

sara

↑ gryp

Tue, Feb 01 2005, 7:15 pm

it absolutely amazes me that after so many pages and pages this topic has switched from "he/she might be doing something wrong/how dare you think that of him/her" to "she is doing something wrong, what should we do about it?"

↑ Tefila ↓

Tue, Feb 01 2005, 7:19 pm

RG those were exactly my thoughts too

micki

Tue, Feb 01 2005, 7:20 pm

you know I've pretty much ignored this thread because I really am kinda in the dark about who she is and what her career is. but when I see this is 13 pages long... well iread a little and then checked out her website. from a totally in the dark opnion here?
from the website? aside fromt eh prayers section and the occasional kipa I see I'd never know she was jewish.
as to the music- she is very talented and aware of the beauty of her voice. BUT I think it has a non jewish feeling to it. kinda makes me think if she sang a non jewish song I'd never know it was her. having just got a chanale felig cd for my B-day her voice sounds more tznius and less "breathy? s-xy? " whatever word you want to use.

if yo tel me she is frum- I'd wonder how. that she inspires many? ok but not me.

↑ roza

Tue, Feb 01 2005, 7:30 pm

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BUT I think it has a non jewish feeling to it

that's with most songs in jewish music business...

↑ Motek ↓

Sun, Feb 20 2005, 12:48 pm

just for the record, the Carlebach shul on the upper West Side has always been Orthodox

the present rabbi is a Lubavitcher, Rabbi Naftali Citron, Eli-Chaim's (Shlomo's twin) grandson

amother

Fri, Feb 25 2005, 9:00 am

So here is my problem Sholoma Carlebach brought loads of Jews back to the religion even though he touched, hugged and kissed women but still he is viewed by some as a hidden saddik (sp?).

Why can't we dan lhaf secus him if we can every other great leader of our time? conc Yehuda and tamr, King Shloma and shlamiit etc etc. They all did things that weren't right but we are told we can't judge. Becuase we are not as holy as them.

↑ Motek ↓

Fri, Feb 25 2005, 9:20 am

Chazal say that whoever says Dovid (and others) sinned, is mistaken

nothing about not judging them because we're not as holy

there is no Chazal about Shlomo Carlebach

you can still judge him favorably though

↑ Motek

Fri, Feb 25 2005, 9:23 am

interesting to know that Matisyahu:

http://www.imamother.com/forum.....20963

became religious after discovering the Carlebach Shul (I read it in an article about him)

secretsmile

Fri, Feb 25 2005, 10:28 am

amother wrote:

I agree with you, there is a lot of loshon hora regarding this father and and daughter and if I was a relative I would be insulted reading some of the posts. We really have to be careful to what we type, just imagine if Neshama was reading all these threads.

↑ hadasa

Sat, Feb 26 2005, 3:42 pm

BTW, Motek, it seems you were right, and the Carlebachs were not in that group in France. They just came to 770 at the same time as some people from that group and became close friends with them.

↑ Rivka

Sun, Feb 27 2005, 11:59 am

I think this discussion is getting personal for those that know her as a person and matter of fact by those that don't.
For those that know her personally it is probably different, but once you are a public figure, you are public and that means you don't get the same sort of privacy that other people get. This means you have to be extra careful in how you show yourself and how you lead your life. So for any person who isn't so frum even if they came from a frum family I probably would judge, but wouldn't be so judgemental. However, one who chooses to be in the limelight also has to take on responsibilities and those include being a role model for others. The way Neshama Carlebach portrays herself is not that of a Jewish role model. So if she didn't bring out her music for Jewish people and was just an ordinary pop-star, then yes she is more tznius than the rest and is a great role model. But as she is making herself a Jewish public figure, using music, she has to show herself in the best light and be extra careful in what she does at home and in public as she no-longer is a private person.
It works in the non-Jewish world like this too. That guy on Blue Peter (a children's show) was found that he took drugs. He was sacked from being a presenter, not because he was bad, but because in his private life he did stuff that would be seen as hypocritical to the kids that saw him on the TV.

↑ Tefila

Sun, Feb 27 2005, 12:03 pm

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but once you are a public figure, you are public and that means you don't get the same sort of privacy that other people get. This means you have to be extra careful in how you show yourself and how you lead your life.

Thank-You Rivka and now I rest my case Exclamation

princessmommy

Sun, Mar 06 2005, 2:13 am

Zun- I am with bat7 in the band- and since she did not reply,I'll let you know that there already is a second album. Its called "Tipot or"-just not all the same band members are in it-but its got a similar sound. pm me if you would like info on how to get it. Music

Aish

Sat, Apr 02 2005, 9:04 pm

I will not sit here and judge neshama carlebach. there are so many details to her life and story, it simply is not so simple. I will say that her music is extraordinary as is her voice and her desire to keep her fathers songs alive in her own way. her music has moved me many times, towards hashem, and for that I am gratful

imale

Fri, Jan 27 2006, 5:32 am

I love the way she sings, there's something very powerful about the way she plays with her voice.

LubavitchLeah

Tue, Feb 07 2006, 2:20 pm

I was reading these postings on Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach, with some about his daughter Neshama. I wanted to add my own feelings on this issue, without opening a new thread under Rabbi Carlibach.
No human is perfect, B"H we are not created as angels. Sometimes the greater heights we soar too, the lowest levels we can drop too. I see him in this manner, because I believe he did SOAR to incredible heights yet his Yetzer Hara (he is human) did allow for some indescretions. I am definitly not going to judge because I am on quite a different level. Further all CHESED is not going to work, he in my opinion was, like Avraham Avinu (as an extreme example because Avraham Avinu is and was a Tzaddik), Rabbi Carleback was ALL CHESED, no Boundries, NO GEVURAH. This may have been what happened.
I am a mere mortal here, way beneath great levels, so truly I am not judging, I use this to explain to myself, to try at least to understand him.
I am not comfortable with a concert where men and women are mixed.

merpk

Thu, Feb 16 2006, 1:10 pm

Am totally distressed by this thread. But feel compelled to respond, since someone bumped it to the front of the forum this month ...

Someone who wanted to do kiruv work went to the Amshinover Rebbe shlita in Yerushalayim to ask him if he could do certain things. The Amshinover said no. The person said to the Rebbe, "But R' Shlomo Carlebach did these things." And the Rebbe replied, "R' Shlomo could do them because he lived every day on the level of Rosh HaShana. When you live on that level, then you can also do these things."

Second. DH was at a Purim one year when R' Shlomo invited Neshama up to the stage to sing. Some frummer-than-frum folks got all bent out of shape and started to noisily stalk out in a huff. To which R' Shlomo replied ... over the microphone, so all were involved in the conversation ... the obvious point that most of the people there could just as well have been in a bar that night, but gevalt, they were at a Purim event in a shul. And hearing Neshama sing isn't going to effect them in any way that the stalking-in-a-huff people were all huffy about. Obviously.

Neshama has an extraordinary gift, and one she uses for giving over holy words. And there are a lot of people who are open to hear what she gives over but who so totally have no use for any of us who are so obviously holier than they are, right? So which is better, what you all are doing, judging Neshama, or what Neshama's doing?

You would all be much more useful to your families and yourselves if you would worry more about yourselves and your own motives and appearance and activities rather than judging/worrying over someone else's.

Blessing you all with the clear vision needed to see yourselves ...

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Crayon210

Thu, Feb 16 2006, 1:49 pm

I found NC's website and just sent an e-mail asking the questions others have been asking on this thread: about kol isha, tznius, and negiah. I will let you know about the response, if I get one.

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