neshama carlebach | Imamother

↑ gryp ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:30 am

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How do you figure?

the same way you came to the conclusion that people who say "im confused" mean "I dont agree with this," I came to the conclusion that when you say "lashan hara!" you really mean "I dont like what im reading, but I cant back it up so ill just hide behind 'lashan hara'"

↑ happyduck ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:31 am

[quote="RG"]

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Ok, my 11 month old wants to stick her hand in a socket. Should I give in to her curiosity?

this has nothing to do with curiousity!
that example has nothing to do with anything.

Sure it does. Someone wrote something ot the effect of "when in public people want to know." That is curiosity! What would you do with the information if you had it? It is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!!! He asked his shaylas to someone. HE got answers for them. If you do not like his answers, don;t follow them! But who are you to badmouth him beucause you do not know from where he got his teshuvas.

↑ happyduck ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:35 am

RG wrote:

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How do you figure?

I am pretty sure LH means talking about people. Like you know, giving specific examples. OR, um, you knowlabeling all of a certain group of people as a Joke.

↑ gryp ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:37 am

have I badmouthed anyone? all I said is I would never go to a neshama concert and I would never buy her music, and that is my right until I see which Rav gave her heterim so I can see if I go by him.

and yes, when I was in seminary, there was a ban on shlomo carlebachs music. we were not supposed to have it or play it in the dorm.

if you want to call it "curiousity," call it that. I'd rather call it "interest." im interested in knowing the halacha so I dont come to break it. that has nothing to do with a baby's interest in putting his hand in a socket, although you might want to compare the effects of that to the effects of breaking the halacha.

↑ gryp ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:39 am

how do we know otherwise if its the right thing to do? why should I trust the same Rav she asked? of course I have to know. just like I dont walk into any restaraunt owned by a Jew, even a frum Jew.

if you want to attract frum people, you have to have a "hechsher" or a "haskama."

↑ ForeverYoung ↓
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Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:39 am

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Ok, my 11 month old wants to stick her hand in a socket. Should I give in to her curiosity?

You are an authority figure to your child by default, b/c you're a parent

R. Eliashev is an authority figure to the Jews, b/c previous generation's leaders approved of him

Now, if a woman would come to me and ask me to arrange a consert and tell me her Rav permits her to sing in front of men I would aske her who her Rav is and go to MY Rav for HIS psak, even if this woman was my best friend!!!!

Or, if I will come and tell you that tomatoes are asur, would you accept it or double-check? Of course you would double check!!!

↑ ForeverYoung ↓
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Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:44 am

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Someone wrote something ot the effect of "when in public people want to know." That is curiosity! What would you do with the information if you had it? It is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!!! He asked his shaylas to someone. HE got answers for them. If you do not like his answers, don;t follow them! But who are you to badmouth him beucause you do not know from where he got his teshuvas.

If his actions affect anybody else besides himself, people who are affected have the right to know.

By the way, nobody was badmouthing R. Shlomo here.

If you think somebody was, pls quote.

↑ happyduck ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:46 am

RG wrote:

have I badmouthed anyone?

no, but you are not the only poster on the thread!

RG wrote:

all I said is I would never go to a neshama concert and I would never buy her music, and that is my right until I see which Rav gave her heterim so I can see if I go by him.

Ok. You do that. No one said otherwise. My comment that started this was do what you want, but do not judge other people until you know where they come from.

RG wrote:

and yes, when I was in seminary, there was a ban on shlomo carlebachs music. we were not supposed to have it or play it in the dorm. .

And I am not asking to which seminary you went or who the Rav was! I also let my daughter listen to uncle moishy even though I know others who do not. Our rav says it is fine. I will not tell you who he is either!

RG wrote:

if you want to call it "curiousity," call it that. I'd rather call it "interest." .

I am not sure what the difference is in all honesty. Most thesorauses list them as synonyms.

RG wrote:

im interested in knowing the halacha so I dont come to break it. that has nothing to do with a baby's interest in putting his hand in a socket, although you might want to compare the effects of that to the effects of breaking the halacha.

You can make a geder and not break the halacha but doing as you propse and not buying. There is no reason to publically challenge her heterim when you can solve your dilema by doing something privatly.

↑ ForeverYoung ↓
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Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:47 am

By the way, Kedoshim Tihuy doesn't meen 'feeling spiritual'
it means behaving in a way that will show that we're holy people -
dress properly, speak nicely, not eat bugs, etc

But this is a subject for a different thread, which I'm going to start in the Judaism section of this forum

↑ happyduck ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:51 am

ForeverYoung wrote:

R. Eliashev is an authority figure to the Jews, b/c previous generation's leaders approved of him

I agree he is an authority. He is not THE authority. And even he gave heterim if he thought they were appropriate.

ForeverYoung wrote:

Now, if a woman would come to me and ask me to arrange a consert and tell me her Rav permits her to sing in front of men I would aske her who her Rav is and go to MY Rav for HIS psak, even if this woman was my best friend!!!!

Right, but see, that is the difference. No one is asking you to arrange a concert. I agree if you are doing somthing active 100% you need to get all the answers and go to your own rav. If you are doing something passive, not listening, why the need? If you got the answers and decided to do something passive (ie, not listening) you do not need to go around telling everyone you got it. LEt people ask for themselves!

ForeverYoung wrote:

Or, if I will come and tell you that tomatoes are asur, would you accept it or double-check? Of course you would double check!!!

Again, I would ask my rav for his oppinion. I would not tell others that they are assur. THat is for them to find out. I might say I have heard they are, but not question the actions of someoen who uses them and tells me their rav says it is fine.

↑ yehudis ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:52 am

I agree with Happy Duck. Everybody here already made up her mind on listening to Neshama Carlebach or buying her tapes, or buying her father's tapes. So I don't see any toeles whatsoever in this discussion. And if someone hasn't yet made her decision, she should consult her Rav instead of listening to people here.

↑ zuncompany ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 11:53 am

Exactly RG- you proved my point! You can go to your Rov and ask if its okay for you! You don't need to know where they got ther heter... you only need to know how to deal with it personally. So ask your own Rav... everything else is LH. I find this thread chutzpadick, LH, and much more because you are focusing in on one family. You can talk about KI, heters for women, etc... without bringing them in! Once you bring them in- you are speaking LH. A good example- I am coming to your house to eat. I do not go around asking the whole neighborhood if you are trustworthy and if I can trust your kashrus. I don't ask people what Rav you go to and who you hold by when it comes to your meat or milchigs. NO! I got to you if I am concerned and ask you privately. If you need to know oh so bad- email Neshama.

Sara

↑ ForeverYoung ↓
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Tue, Jan 25 2005, 12:00 pm

I do not understand why we can't have a normal discussion about the laws of negia or kol isha (thy've got very interesting)

I do not understand why some people read EVERYTHING as an attak

And I do not agree that criticising a Carlebach follower = to critisizing him

And yes, I still think that public figures who affect many peope owe it to the people whom they touch to explain their actions.

If somebody wants, they can make another thread of it

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↑ happyduck ↓

Tue, Jan 25 2005, 12:15 pm

freilich wrote:

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And yes, I still think that public figures who affect many peope owe it to the people whom they touch to explain their actions

And to reiterate , reteirate and reiterate

Exactly!!!!!!!

If that someone was Rav sheinberg who did something you did not like, is it okay to critisize him or do we just say maybe he knows more than us?