SHTREIMEL....Chassidic Levush or also a FAD

Blossom ↓

Tue, May 23 2006, 9:24 am

Have you also realized that Shtreimels are not only a Chassidic Levush but it's become some sort of fad?
I have some family and friends who wear Shtreimels because they think it's a very pretty Levush. I know couples who said they consider themselves Chassidish because their husbands wear a shtreimel but otherwise don't consider themselves Chassidish. And also non-Chassidic girls who wanted a husband who'd wear a shtreimel because it's a nice levush.

Motek ↓

Tue, May 23 2006, 9:31 am

Blossom - are you saying that there are men who wear a shtreimel whose fathers don't? Or men who wear a shtreimel who are not from chasidishe families or associate with a particular chasidus?

no, I have never heard of that

I'm guessing that the people you are talking about are "modern Chasidish" who actually have fathers or grandfathers who wore chasidishe levush.

↑ Blossom ↓

Tue, May 23 2006, 9:58 am

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Blossom - are you saying that there are men who wear a shtreimel whose fathers don't?

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Or men who wear a shtreimel who are not from chasidishe families or associate with a particular chasidus?

Both.

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I'm guessing that the people you are talking about are "modern Chasidish" who actually have fathers or grandfathers who wore chasidishe levush.

Not necessarily because Modern Chassidish people are still Chassidish. At least I am Smile

I think I'm referring to people who don't consider themselves neither Litvish or Chassidish. I don't know what they call themselves but I found it interesting that they wear shtreimels.

mommy24 ↓

Tue, May 23 2006, 10:50 am

I was just discussing something similar with my husband. I know men that were not brought up chasidish but now consider themselves chasidish who wear streimels. these men look chasidish- ie beards , peyos.

but recently I have seen men wearing bekashas on shabbos with either a trimmed beard or no beard and their boys, over 3, are also wearing bekashas on shabbos. I had never seen this before.

DefyGravity ↓

Tue, May 23 2006, 11:30 am

amother wrote:

lol when I saw shtreimel in the controversial section I thought you were refering to the blog

Do you know if he has a blog that he keeps updating? I managed to find a blog of his, after he stopped posting in his old one, but he never updates it. Does he have another blog that I don't know of?

merpk ↓

Tue, May 23 2006, 11:34 am

Well, yeah, a lot of men wear shtreimels who weren't brought up Khasidish. Maybe they're ba'alei teshuva. Are BTs who become Khasidish as they go through their teshuva not allowed to wear Khasidish levush?

News to me. Huh. Learn something new every day.

I know the inyan about following what your father did is a strong one. But what about if your learning takes you to a different place? Why do you have to follow your father?

A brief story: When DH first went to get the scrolls for the new mezuzas he wanted to put on his door, he was in Israel and went into a store, and was told by the proprietor, "No, you can't have those, they're Sefardi, you have to do what your father did." DH's father put mezuza cases on his doors, but didn't know to put in scrolls. When late in life he learned that scrolls belonged in them, the one he got was paper, ie., not kosher anyway.

So why is DH required to follow his father?

And what about his grandfathers? One was socialist. The other rebelled against his Khasidish grandfather. Who himself (family legend says) rebelled against his Litvish (from Ponovetz, no less) father.

And btw, shtreimels themselves are a fad altogether, taken from Polish nobility. So what's the judgmentalness about who can wear them or not?

↑ Blossom ↓

Tue, May 23 2006, 11:46 am

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So what's the judgmentalness about who can wear them or not?

OMG!!

JUDGEMENTAL???

I can't believe someone is accusing me of being judgemental. OUCH. All I did was innocently inquire about a certain new phenomonon(sp?) that I found interesting.

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↑ mommy24

Tue, May 23 2006, 12:44 pm

DefyGravity wrote:

amother wrote:

lol when I saw shtreimel in the controversial section I thought you were refering to the blog

Do you know if he has a blog that he keeps updating? I managed to find a blog of his, after he stopped posting in his old one, but he never updates it. Does he have another blog that I don't know of?

just curious, what is this blog you are referring to?

↑ DefyGravity

Tue, May 23 2006, 12:56 pm

Blossom wrote:

Defy I'm not sure but I remember reading that he has found inner-peace and is finding his way back and thus will be ending his blog.

Nope! He led us to believe that he did, but started another blog (which is also inactive now)! There was also a news article about him, I can't remember the details though.

↑ Motek

Tue, May 23 2006, 1:16 pm

Blossom wrote:

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So what's the judgmentalness about who can wear them or not?

OMG!!

JUDGEMENTAL???

I can't believe someone is accusing me of being judgemental. OUCH. All I did was innocently inquire about a certain new phenomonon(sp?) that I found interesting.

not to worry blosson, her post was full of rude comments

nobody said baalei teshuva can't wear a shtreimel, whether it's because it's going back to their family's roots or finding the chasidic path suited to them but that's not what blossom is writing about

ditto for those who were always frum but choose to follow the chasidic path, after all, that is how the chasidic movement got started, but again, this is not what blosson is writing about

nobody wrote that one should follow the non-Torah practices of one's parents Rolling Eyes

and to call this chasidic levush a fad is quite obnoxious Mad

ILOVELIFE

Wed, May 24 2006, 6:58 am

In stolin the Rebbe saw that many chassanim wld put on shtreimlich either because their fil (not a stoliner ) wanted it though their father didn't wear one or the chassan wld just decide that it's nice. the Rebbe started a campaign against it for the most part. he said "were it our minhag we wld wear it but our minhag was that only the Rebbe or chassidim living in yerushalayim wear it" and BH it cut down most of the shtreimlich......

chen ↓

Wed, May 24 2006, 8:05 am

it seems to be the new "shtick" in my son's yeshiva for bocherim to start wearing a gartel even though almost all the bocherim are of Litvish or Yekkish descent and from families that have been frum for as long as anyone can remember.

gryp ↓

Wed, May 24 2006, 8:52 am

a gartel many people have adopted, there are reasons we wear a gartel.
but a shtreimel?

is there a specific reason to wear a shtreimel besides for it being a minhag? (im asking out of ignorance, can anyone Chaseedish answer me?)

im personally not impressed by people who adopt others minhagim as a fad. I think it shows disrespect to the minhag.
what happens when the fad disappears? do the shtreimlach disappear too? Confused