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lamplighter
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 Thu, Jan 07 2010, 6:16 pm
Someone once mentioned here recently that women having hair on place was a curse? Anyone ever heard of this or could direct me to a source?
TIA
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pecan
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Thu, Jan 07 2010, 6:20 pm
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Having hair on which place?
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someoneoutthere
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Thu, Jan 07 2010, 7:51 pm
brought down in the Gemara. Let me see if I can find it for you...
| Sanhedrin 21a wrote: | דרש רבא מאי דכתיב 'ויצא לך שם בגוים ביפיך'? שאין להן לבנות ישראל לא שער בית השחי ולא בית הערוה".
Rabbi Meir explains: what does it mean when it says "and you will get a name amongst the nations with your beauty"[Yechezkel16:14] ? That the Jewish women did not have hair under their arms or pubic hair |
Rashi there says on the words "shlo haya lahem lbnos yisrael" That this was before they [the women] sinned with "vgavhu bnos tzion", as it says in Yeshaya 3:16 [the women would walk around in a provocative, haughty, come-hither manner] (that was one of the things Hashem was going to bring the churban for)
Ok, enough navi and gemara searching. I"ve got to cook shabbos
Edited to fix quote and translate
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mandksima
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Fri, Jan 08 2010, 1:16 am
| someoneoutthere wrote: | brought down in the Gemara. Let me see if I can find it for you...
| Sanhedrin 21a wrote: | דרש רבא מאי דכתיב 'ויצא לך שם בגוים ביפיך'? שאין להן לבנות ישראל לא שער בית השחי ולא בית הערוה".
Rabbi Meir explains: what does it mean when it says "and you will get a name amongst the nations with your beauty"[Yechezkel16:14] ? That the Jewish women did not have hair under their arms or pubic hair |
Rashi there says on the words "shlo haya lahem lbnos yisrael" That this was before they [the women] sinned with "vgavhu bnos tzion", as it says in Yeshaya 3:16 [the women would walk around in a provocative, haughty, come-hither manner] (that was one of the things Hashem was going to bring the churban for)
Ok, enough navi and gemara searching. I"ve got to cook shabbos
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Interesting! Does this mean when Moshiach comes, Jewish women won't have hair there?
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someoneoutthere
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Fri, Jan 08 2010, 9:31 am
They obviously had some, but very very sparse. One of the defining factors of an "adult" body vs. a child's is shtei saaros 2 pubic hairs.
I can't come up with an educated guess about post-Moshiach. I'd think that it would probably lessen, as all the klalos will.
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pina colada
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Fri, Jan 08 2010, 9:38 am
| someoneoutthere wrote: | They obviously had some, but very very sparse. One of the defining factors of an "adult" body vs. a child's is shtei saaros 2 pubic hairs.
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Interesting, I was told that Dd can get her period once I see at least one pubic hair. I didn't know it had a makor in gemara.
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dollhouse
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Fri, Jan 08 2010, 1:53 pm
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Fascinating gemara! I had heard about the "shtei se'aros" but never about what R. Meir said. Yet another reason to daven for Moshiach! Amen!
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greenfire
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Fri, Jan 08 2010, 2:08 pm
um 
I can see the new flyers now ... WOMEN בזכות נשים צדקניות we will be redeemed from the galus and FREE from pubic hair alas !!! please daven NOW !!! אמן
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louche
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Fri, Jan 08 2010, 2:15 pm
| greenfire wrote: | um
I can see the new flyers now ... WOMEN בזכות נשים צדקניות we will be redeemed from the galus and FREE from pubic hair alas !!! please daven NOW !!! אמן |
Ow! Ow! Ow! I just fell off my chair laughing and it's YOUR fault!
Last edited by louche on Fri, Jan 08 2010, 2:19 pm; edited 1 time in total
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greenfire
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Fri, Jan 08 2010, 2:17 pm
| louche wrote: | | greenfire wrote: | um
I can see the new flyers now ... WOMEN בזכות נשים צדקניות we will be redeemed from the galus and FREE from pubic hair alas !!! please daven NOW !!! אמן |
Ow! Ow! Ow! I just fell off my chair laughing and it's YOUR fault! |
thank you thank you - please donate to the cause 
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Pamela
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Sun, Jan 17 2010, 9:27 pm
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Another reason to daven for mashiach!! Does it mean though that a women who does have hair in public places is cursed CH"V?
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someoneoutthere
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Sun, Jan 17 2010, 10:06 pm
It means that now Jewish women do have it. Is the woman who has a menstrual period, childbearing pains cursed? As an idividual, I mean. No... but that's not the "original" order of the world.
Greenfire...lol 
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