Women perfectly made up on Shabbos and Yom Tov

Raisin ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 4:58 pm

chavs wrote:

freidasima wrote:

Lipstick. Now here you have a problem. But aren't there any "old" English ladies on this board? I remember as a girl in Sem we would buy from England this thing, no other word for it, that was reminiscent in smell and probably taste of coloreless nail polish. Anyhow we would put on lipstic and then apply this gook over it. It would seal the lipstick and you could eat and drink and whatever you wanted and even wash with water and unless you rubbed it with makeup remover, it would stay on. Forever. Unless you chewed it off and believe me it tasted so bad that you didn't chew it ever.

So basically unless you need mascara and foundation you are fine.
And you want shiny lips? Lick them.

Its called Max Factor Lipfinity or one of the other 18 hour stay on lipstick that you can get nowadays, you put the colour on then the moisterise coat and then dont bite your lips.

I have actually heard of this mythical frum lipstick, I think its called Shayindy, I looked for it in some shops here but I couldnt find it maybe they stopped making them after Max factor made the likes of lipfinity.

no it's not max factors, thats relatively new. Its a clear liquid in a small bottle (looks like nail polish) that you apply over your regular lipstick. I used to use it, but it don't think it lasted all shabbos, but then, I have make up repellant skin.

mima

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 5:08 pm

Raisin wrote:

chavs wrote:

freidasima wrote:

It's called "Lipcote"

↑ intel ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 5:13 pm

WriterMom wrote:

intel wrote:

greenfire wrote:

Atali wrote:

greenfire wrote:

I actually think it would be great - but only if they're driving to shul for the spiritual aspect and not the I need to get out of the house ...

Please tell me you aren't being serious...

That is precisely the opinion of the Conservative Movement, and we see how well that worked.

I'm quite serious ... but then I'm referring to those who wouldn't otherwise go - and don't see the whole keeping shabbos down pat ... but they want to connect spiritually and therefore drive to shul ... heck for some it's either that or drive to the movies ... besides it's hard to understand if you are not that person - or if you don't know a person like that whose goal is to truly go for the spiritual aspect ...

you really never know where someone is coming from or to where they are going ...

I guess we should ask someone who knows, but from what I remember, you don't have to worry about where they are (at the mall, movies) but have to worry that YOU don't cause them to drive. by encouraging them to come to shul when you KNOW they will drive, you are encouraging them to drive. I don't think it's your business what else they do otherwise. maybe I'm wrong.

CHV"SH!! You are never allowed to encourage someone to be mechallel shabbos in order to go to shul. (you can't tell someone to do an aveira in order to do something "spiritual") rather they shouldn't go to shul.

Of course, you can't encourage someone to do an aveira. But that's not quite what we're talking about here. If a totally secular Jew is considering going to shul, but they're gonna drive there, and they're gonna get a Starbucks on the way ... do you criticize them for being double(triple, quadruple) mechalel shabbat, and maybe cause them to close the door forever, and, as Greenfire wrote, spend Shabbat instead at the mall, or the gym, or getting groceries? I understand that you could argue you should explain to them why it's wrong; but I myself wouldn't, but would hope that this would be the beginning of a bridge that would lead them to a life in which they understood and kept shabbat. Which I think is Chabad's attitude; they're not CVS going to tell people to drive to shul, but they will say "we would love to see you at shul, and we are not going to be looking at how you get there?" Just like they don't say "yes, please wear jeans and a tank top," but they say "we are very happy to see you" no matter what people are wearing.

↑ intel

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 5:18 pm

WriterMom wrote:

intel wrote:

greenfire wrote:

Atali wrote:

greenfire wrote:

I actually think it would be great - but only if they're driving to shul for the spiritual aspect and not the I need to get out of the house ...

Please tell me you aren't being serious...

That is precisely the opinion of the Conservative Movement, and we see how well that worked.

CHV"SH!! You are never allowed to encourage someone to be mechallel shabbos in order to go to shul. (you can't tell someone to do an aveira in order to do something "spiritual") rather they shouldn't go to shul.

I guess daas tora (real das tora) is needed to make this decision but this is what I'm saying; if you encourage someone to come to shul and you KNOW they will drive, you are encouraging them to drive on shabbos. I don't think it is your business what else they would be doing otherwise, whether it's driving to the mall, watching tv, etc. you can't be the one to encourage them to be mechallel shabbos. maybe I'm wrong. (idk what happened to the prev post.)

↑ Besiyata Dishmaya

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 5:48 pm

Love My Babe wrote:

did not read everything ppl here said, but I find it really sad that just because some women cant get makeup to stay on, they think others are lying and being mechallel shabbos. I guess I have good makeup and know how to properly apply it. I spend a bit more time before shabbose than a regular morning, but my lipstick looks really good shabbos morning. I have one lipstick that I use if I want it to look that way. its a bit of a shimmer, light pink. I put foundation on my lips first. then I put on like 3 coats of lipstick and then lipsealer. wait a minute and then reapply some more lipstick on top. I eat everything on friday night, even soup and im not super duper careful how I do it. my lipstick looks good on shabbos morning. and I never in my life have put on makeup on shabbos!!! u can judge if u want and say BS or think im a lier or whatever else u want to think. it works for some and not for everyone. I guess u need to have the proper products if u want it to be done right.

What do you and others do when you have to go to mikva on Friday night and YomTov? How do you manage? Do you all postpone it because of the makeup issue?

↑ mommy#1

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 5:59 pm

amother wrote:

mommy#1 wrote:

my aunt used to go to a bungalow colony where all the women looked perfectly made up on shabbos, so she asked them how they did it, and they all answered that its their oneg shabbos to put on makeup on shabbos morning! and this was quite a few years ago, when shabbos makeup wasnt invented yet! anyway, when I heard that, I said ok, so its MY oneg shabbos to drive to the movies, take out my wallet, & pay, then watch the movie! Rolling Eyes

if anyone here has that same excuse of it being your oneg shabbos, I hope you know its 100% assur, and dont give these frum excuses!

Just curious. percentagewise, how many in Lakewood have that "freshly made up look" on Shabbos /Yom Tov (meaning the women are very conscious of their makeup) ?

I have no idea, but what does that have to do with what I wrote?!?! it so happens to be that my makeup stays on very well through shabbos afternoon, & I NEVER put on any makeup on shabbos-I never even asked a shaila about shabbos makeup, because I dont think its that important, especially since my makeup stays on. but, again, what was your point with that question about lakewood? and why are you anonymous?

↑ Love My Babes

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 8:03 pm

Besiyata Dishmaya wrote:

What do you and others do when you have to go to mikva on Friday night and YomTov? How do you manage? Do you all postpone it because of the makeup issue?

so once in a while I dont wear makeup on shabbos. theres nothing wrong with saying it was busy day today, as most fridays are anyway. should ppl never wear makeup just because they have to go to the mikva once a month? and how often is it a friday?

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Back up, babe. What is lip sealer? And what does foundation under lipstick do?
Also, with so many coats of lipstick, don't you look kind of strange on Friday night? just trying to figure this out.

lip sealer is a clear liquid that looks like a nail polish bottle, u buy it in a makeup store and its a sealer for lipstick. its made to hold lipstick on for long amounts of time. and one of the points of foundation on your face besides for covering and evening out skintone, is that it holds the makeup. first a wet foundation, and then a powder on top. its like a glue sort of for makeup. the makeup sticks to it and holds it longer. so with all that, all those ppl who dont know much about makeup, but insist on thinking others are putting it on on shabbos, are just clueless and sad ppl who rather judge than find out the truth.

sky

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 8:09 pm

amother wrote:

mommy#1 wrote:

if anyone here has that same excuse of it being your oneg shabbos, I hope you know its 100% assur, and dont give these frum excuses!

Just curious. percentagewise, how many in Lakewood have that "freshly made up look" on Shabbos /Yom Tov (meaning the women are very conscious of their makeup) ?

where I live - nobody. I really can't imagine any of my neighbors putting on makeup to look good on shabbos (plus there is no eruv so we're not really going out all that much anyway). And I agree with mommy#1 - why anon to attack Lakewood?

I wear liploc lip sealer and it really works to keep the color - but it doesn't look dewey - it just stays on - as does my eye makeup - without too much work - but I would never make myself crazy to keep a full face makeup over shabbos - it is just not my type at all. I'd rather enjoy my shabbos and my shabbos sleep.

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ra_mom ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:24 pm

amother wrote:

Atali wrote:

amother wrote:

Atali wrote:

BTW,

With the driving on shabbos issue, I am not referring to those who are showing up at a chabad house for the first time, but to those that are otherwise shomer mitzvos, like the women on here who are mechallel shabbos by applying makeup.

the issur with make up is Tzoveya - coloring - correct? In that case is there an issur with applying only foundation just as a cover-up?

That isn't the only issur. There is also an issur of mamrachek, spreading. It is the same issur as spreading diaper rash cream and definitely applies to foundation.

How about if it is powder foundation, which you just pat on?

I am quoting from an English Sefer, the 3rd edition of A Guide for the Jewish Woman and Girl.
"According to some Poskim it is permissible to use flesh-colored face powder, because it does not artificially color the skin."
Amother, Kol HaKavod to you for trying to find a way to help yourself in a Halachikly permissible way!
Try Clinique doubel face powder. It's a powder foundation that gives coverage.

↑ WriterMom ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 10:57 pm

intel wrote:

Has there been "fake" daas tora?

I can understand where you're coming from, but there is a world of kiruv workers, and just plain frum non-kiruv workers, who invite non-frum Jews to shul and for shabbat dinner or lunch. Are you really saying you think they're doing something wrong? I can get that you're not comfortable with it yourself, but I have trouble with the implicit critique of a large swathe of the orthodox world.

↑ ra_mom ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:02 pm

WriterMom wrote:

intel wrote:

I didn't read your whole discussion on this issue, but I was told not to invite an irreligious person for a meal on Shabbos if they do not live within walking distance. In such a case, I was told to only invite them to sleep over for the entire Shabbos. Of course, if they live within walking distance, and drove over to my home on Shabbos, I was told that that shouldn't be my concern.
So there must be differnt Shitas on this one.

ShanaMatele

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:26 pm

Besiyata Dishmaya wrote:

Love My Babe wrote:

What do you and others do when you have to go to mikva on Friday night and YomTov? How do you manage? Do you all postpone it because of the makeup issue?

Never. I would never postpone mikvah because of makeup.

For most Shabbosim I put on makeup before Shabbos, but not every single Shabbos. Sometimes it really is just too busy and I don't get around to it. So most of the time I apply makeup before Shabbos. I don't ever put on makeup on Shabbos. I won't apply shabbos makeup over the makeup I have put on before Shabbos, and the makeup I put on before Shabbos lasts fairly well, so I don't have a need to deal with it. I don't wear lipstick anyway though. I do wear foundation, concealer, blush, eyeshadow, eyeliner and mascara. (I don't have any problem with other people using Shabbos makeup on Shabbos.) If I were to need to go to Mikvah on a Friday night I might keep us home for Shabbos lunch. I know I would probably not go out for lunch unless I really needed to for some reason. Then again, we are ALWAYS home Friday night, and usually home for lunch anyway.

In terms of keeping your makeup looking great: it takes time, research and practice, and even then it sometimes doesn't stay well. I agree with many other mothers here that it depends on your skin type, and how you sleep, as well as what sort of makeup you like to wear, and what brands you use.

I would highly recommend using primer under your foundation, and another primer specifically for eye makeup. Haven't found a foundation primer I love yet, but for the eyes I really like my Urban Decay Eyeshadow Primer Potion. Got it from drugstore.com. I don't wear expensive makeup at all, but this little bottle has been well worth it. It keeps my eyeliner and eyeshadow in place.

Don't have any recommendations about lipstick, because I don't wear it.

Good luck with your makeup. It's nice to look pretty for your husband on Shabbos. Especially nice for me, as that's the only day of the week I see him for any length of time!

HTH!

↑ amother ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 1:49 am

freidasima wrote:

Just read the link to shabbos makeup that was on here, was all that we learned in sem over 40 years ago. Nothing has changed and it's not really difficult.

Now I'm not a real makeup wearer, but with the exception of lipstick everything I use during the week I can use on shabbos.

Loose oil free powder - exists all over the place for those of us with hypoallergenic skin. I use only that
Loose oil free powdered blush - same as above.
You can use the blush as eyeshadow as well.
and if you only put in on the lid you can use loose white powder (even oil free talcum powder, I.e. cornstarch, just not on pesach) under your brow as a highlighter so the two colors are not near each other, you don't have to worry about them mixing and you have something on your eyes and under your brows.

Lipstick. Now here you have a problem. But aren't there any "old" English ladies on this board? I remember as a girl in Sem we would buy from England this thing, no other word for it, that was reminiscent in smell and probably taste of coloreless nail polish. Anyhow we would put on lipstic and then apply this gook over it. It would seal the lipstick and you could eat and drink and whatever you wanted and even wash with water and unless you rubbed it with makeup remover, it would stay on. Forever. Unless you chewed it off and believe me it tasted so bad that you didn't chew it ever.

So basically unless you need mascara and foundation you are fine.
And you want shiny lips? Lick them.

I know exactly what you are talking about and this is called LIPCOTE and it was purchased in BOOTS CHEMIST however here in America you can purcahse the same thing which is called She Laq by BENEFIT and you can purchase it at sephora (it is from the BENEFIT range and works just as well)