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amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 9:42 am

chaiz wrote:

Totally off topic, but I see sic often and do not know what means. Can you define what it means?

Its used when quoting another person to show that the language shown is as actually appears in the quote, even if actually erroneous. In this case, the word "amishtown" was used in a quote. To me, it was jarring, sort of like calling NYC "hymietown"; to the best of my knowledge, there is no place known as "amishtown" (although it is apparently the name of a store, according to google). So the poster added [sic] to indicate that she was accurately quoting what seemed to be an error.

chaiz

Thu, May 08 2014, 9:44 am

amother wrote:

Thank you very much for that explanation. Smile

Scrabble123

Thu, May 08 2014, 9:47 am

Think1st wrote:

Kindly re-post or be more specific

Here it is. I numbered it for you this time to make answering easier.

Think1st:

1. If you would travel with your family to an area stricken with typhoid and yellow fever or measles and polio would you then vaccinate?

2. What about your MD? Would he advocate vaccinating before going to say Ghana? Or even to London where measles cases have sky rocketed?

3. Would you be ok coming back from such a trip knowing its possible that there is an infant or elderly or immune compromised individual on the plane and your children were not properly vaccinated and may carry the potential virus ch'v?

amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 9:58 am

Think1st wrote:

Think1st wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/731407

Gardasil targets only 4 HPV strains. 6, 11, 16 and 18

However HPV strains 16, 18, & 45 cause 94% of cervical cancers

8 HPV types cause more than 90% of all cervical cancers worldwide

1. So there are many more strains that cause cancer not targeted by the shot including strain # 45, & we have no idea if it may cause you to get more of the other strains

2. 10's of death's & 1,000's of injury reports from the vax http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafe......html

3. ask any Isreali frum or traditional woman they do not take HPV shot. Ask any bikur cholim org if they ever dealt with a frum cervical cancer case

23,000,000 doses ,3 per person =7,666,666 people got the shot
12,424 adverse reactions reported =1 in 617
6% serious reaction 1 in in 10,284

That is assuming all case get reported if only 10% gets reported or 1% you do the math

Where are u doing the math?

1 in 10284 is not 6% more like 00.009723842%

And even if there were 12,424 adverse reactions that may just include redness at the injection site and the percentage of 1 in 617 is 00.162074554% (it also includes the "serious" reactions). That means that of 7,665,608 ppl who took the shot, only 12,424 had any type of reaction.

Think1st

Thu, May 08 2014, 9:59 am

Lady Bug wrote:

I think you missed 5*'s sarcasm, unless you are now playing devil's advocate? Either way, your link supports the fact that it makes no sense to base the rate of autism/vaccination in the Amish community on the words of a lone journalist who visited just one Amish town. I think you should go live with the Amish. That way you will have less chances of contracting Autism yourself :shudder:

Thanks for the gr8 idea maybe you try it too Very Happy

Correlation isn't causation , is that the name of a one way street ? only applies adverse reactions not to supposedly benefits

Or is it a copy-write/patent/trademark like conspiracy theorist, only applies to Antiivaxers not to pro-vax quackery, the magazine is distributed by anti-Semites trying to sicken us or worse Smile

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Scrabble123

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:08 am

amother wrote:

there are several amishtowns and you can go to any one and find this
http://www.ageofautism.com/200......html

Sorry but I've read many reports from those who reported on amishtowns and they all say theres either NO or LITTLE TO NO autism found there. kindly see link.

Why are you so quick to believe these reports as truths?

Let me ask you:

1. Did it ever occur to you that the Amish may not recognize ASD behaviors the same way modern society does? Their children grow up on farms. If the kid is not social & interacts better with animals, that may possibly be OKAY with them. They won't even take the kid to be evaluated?

2. What about considering that the Amish are not as educated in this area?

3. Maybe the Amish lock up children that display psychological and/or neurological disorders much like many people did 50+ years ago?

4. Maybe kids with ASD do better there because of the different lifestyle?

5. IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND THE AMISH VACCINES? Their genetic makeup is different, they do not have electronics in their homes, etc. etc. The list goes on and on and I'm sure that you are able to come up with some differences on your own.

inexorablyme

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:11 am

Scrabble123 wrote:

Also, genetics may play a role....no?

amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:19 am

Think1st wrote:

Think1st wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/731407

Gardasil targets only 4 HPV strains. 6, 11, 16 and 18

However HPV strains 16, 18, & 45 cause 94% of cervical cancers

8 HPV types cause more than 90% of all cervical cancers worldwide

1. So there are many more strains that cause cancer not targeted by the shot including strain # 45, & we have no idea if it may cause you to get more of the other strains

2. 10's of death's & 1,000's of injury reports from the vax http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafe......html

3. ask any Isreali frum or traditional woman they do not take HPV shot. Ask any bikur cholim org if they ever dealt with a frum cervical cancer case

June 2006 through December 2008

23,000,000 doses ,3 per person =7,666,666 people got the shot
12,424 adverse reactions reported =1 in 617
6% serious reaction 1 in in 10,284

That is assuming all case get reported if only 10% gets reported or 1% you do the math

2012 It only gets better hpvshot death toll over nearing 200

http://sanevax.org/hpv-vaccine.....2012/

Huh?

First, we cannot assume that everyone had 3 doses. We all know the phenomenon of incomplete vaccination. Moreover, someone with a severe reaction to the first inoculation is not likely to have a second.

So, 12,424 reactions out of 23,000,000 doses. 12,424/23,000,000 = .00054 (approximately), or a .5% rate of ANY reported reaction.

Assuming you are correct that "serious" reactions (including allergic reactions) are 1/10,284. That's .01%.

Please buy yourself a calculator, or go to the local community college to take a basic math course. I cannot imagine being able to shop or budget effectively given the level of your math skills.

amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:23 am

amother wrote:

Where are you getting 23,000,000 doses? 12,424 times 617 is 7,665,608 = 00.162074554% as I stated before

amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:34 am

amother wrote:

Where are you getting 23,000,000 doses? 12,424 times 617 is 7,665,608 = 00.162074554% as I stated before

You wrote:

Quote:

23,000,000 doses ,3 per person =7,666,666 people got the shot
12,424 adverse reactions reported =1 in 617
6% serious reaction 1 in in 10,284

So I got 23,000,000 doses from you.

Are you OK, Amother? You seem to have a problem remembering what you said just moments earlier.

vintagebknyc

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:36 am

Scrabble123 wrote:

5. IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND THE AMISH VACCINES? Their genetic makeup is different, they do not have electronics in their homes, etc. etc. The list goes on and on and I'm sure that you are able to come up with some differences on your own.

it's TV! maybe I can create a chart about the rise in autism in regard to having TV, then bigger TV, then giant TV, then vcr, cable box, hdtv, dvd player, satellite tv... broadcast tv started to be offered in US in 1941, by '53 color tv was available.

and I can create websites like "autismtv" or "broadcastingandautism"

Scrabble123

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:40 am

Scrabble123 wrote:

Maybe she's on the phone with her MD figuring out the answers now? She requested that I repost the questions, yet she has not answered them yet. (And believe me, I cannot believe that she's taken a break from her anti-vaccine war for even a minute).

5*Mom

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:45 am

amother wrote:

chaiz wrote:

Totally off topic, but I see sic often and do not know what means. Can you define what it means?

Yes, this. It was a way to credit the poster with her own condescending error.

amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:45 am

vintagebknyc wrote:

Pheh. Cell phones. As recently as 1985, there were few cell phones, little autism, and we all lived in Nirvana. Look at how precipitously those numbers rise as we get closer to the 1999 autism "epidemic." And how they keep rising. Cell phones, I tell you, cell phones.

And I'd wager that cell phone use amongst Amish is less than that amongst other groups, and even when they use cell phones, its not for the same type of long conversations.

Year Subscribers
1985 340,213
1986 681,825
1987 1,230,855
1988 2,069,441
1989 3,508,944
1990 5,283,055
1991 7,557,148
1992 11,032,753
1993 16,009,461
1994 24,134,421
1995 33,758,661
1996 44,042,992
1997 55,312,293
1998 69,209,321
1999 86,047,003
2000 109,478,031
2001 128,374,512
2002 140,766,842
2003 158,721,981
2004 182,140,362
2005 207,896,198
2006 233,000,000
2008 262,700,000
2009 276,610,580
2010 300,520,098

Read more: Cell Phone Subscribers in the U.S., 1985–2010 | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/.....e8X5e

amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 10:49 am

Aspergers was taken out of the DSM 5.

Now for the first time the rates of ASD which we have observed rising faster and faster over recent decades will appear to stabilize or go down.

Sids is also split and renamed so now we cannot track it farther.

if you don't understand how this effects our ability to track what is going on please stay out of this and don't give remarks showing you don't understand.

This was a very deceptive move.

Think1st

Thu, May 08 2014, 11:00 am

amother wrote:

So you assume that every reaction was reported & everyone took only 1 shot ,give me a break Very Happy

dinging your head in sand is still an option Smile

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amother

Thu, May 08 2014, 11:01 am

amother wrote:

Asperger's was not "removed" from DSM 5. Rather, it was included as part of ASD -- Austism Spectrum Disorder. A lot of people with Asperger's were quite upset with this, and I would tend to agree with them. However, its nomenclature, not a removal.

SUID is the sudden and unexpected death of an infant in which the manner and cause of death are not immediately obvious prior to investigation. SIDS is the sudden death of an infant under age 1 that cannot be explained after a thorough investigation has been conducted, including a complete autopsy, an examination of the death scene, and a review of the clinical history. So, IOW, if you can figure out what happened, its not SIDS. It is true that the decline in SIDS cases is more precipitous than the drop in SUID cases. In other words, we're figuring out what killed more and more babies. Apparently, you think that's bad. Because, of course, if we find out that a baby died due to a metabolic disorder, we can't attribute it to vaccines. And, in your world, EVERY death, EVERY injury is due to vaccines.

Think1st

Thu, May 08 2014, 11:08 am

amother wrote:

1.So where are the unvaxed autistic kids ,

2. Did autistic kids get a new cellphone ,or a vax the day they became sick?

3. You sayall these congressman MD's included & parents are are nuts? or the CDC reps stumbling their words?

4.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zGqUfvFDI4 - congress hearing - My husband has personally met some of the attendees parents elected officials attorney & MD's.

5. 1st mercury is safe, then it was removed except when not.
I didn't enter your house , I entered but took nothing, I took but returned everything except... Very Happy

Anyone trusting these CDC reps (unelected unaccountable red tapers )please provide your # I have a Brooklyn Bridge for sale Very Happy

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