EGG IMPLANT 000 | Imamother

amother ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 10:25 pm

a women was implanted with an egg from a non jewish women
she gave birth to a baby girl!
would consider the baby a jew?
I do !
this article is written in this weeks jewish post.

hisorerus

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:19 pm

I think Halacha considers any baby in a Jewish mother's womb for 9 months Jewish... and that's good enough for me!

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southernbubby ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:20 pm

I was under the impression that if a pregnant woman converts to Judaism, the child is born Jewish. If this is truly the halacha, than a fetus that started out non-Jewish can be born Jewish. If the halacha is applied in that way, the child would be Jewish.

Crayon210 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:22 pm

I was not under that impression, southernbubby-I thought that if the woman is expecting when she converts, the baby is still a [gentile]!

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:23 pm

amother wrote:

would consider the baby a jew?
I do !

I believe this is a much debated halachic issue, are you an expert in these halachos that you "consider the baby a Jew"?

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:26 pm

I thought that the Jewish status of the mother at the time of birth was what made the child Jewish. I guess I should ask a Rav. Isn't a Jew someone born to a Jewish mother?

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:27 pm

Yes, but I think that some hold that the time of conception is what determines a Jew's status...definitely a question for a rav.

stem ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:36 pm

A baby is considered Jewish if he/she's born to a Jewish mother. Time of conception is not something that can be pinpointed all the time, so that would make many cases impossible to determine.
Crayon, please post a reliable source to what you're saying.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:38 pm

I don't have a reliable source. I just thought the issue wasn't clear cut. Maybe it is clear cut. I haven't had personal dealings with egg implants, maybe I'm remembering something that I read incorrectly. I wasn't claiming to have that information.

shayna82 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:38 pm

stem do you have a source for what you said? A baby born to a jewish mother may not be jewish?!?!

↑ stem

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:41 pm

How could a baby born to a Jewish mother not be Jewish?

↑ shayna82 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:42 pm

what if she converts in her 8th month? upon conception she wasnt jewish. I know of a few instances of this, and the baby is not jewish. he/she has the choice at 12/13. im no Rav, but I know this is the case with these families.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:47 pm

(Thanks for confirming what I thought...)

didan

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:47 pm

B"H

Crayon210 wrote:

I was not under that impression, southernbubby-I thought that if the woman is expecting when she converts, the baby is still a [gentile]!

The mother of a classmate of mine converted when she was pregnant with my classmate. She was told by a Lubavitcher Rov that the child born after her conversion, although conceived prior to it, is considered Jewish.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:49 pm

Put that together with Shayna's example...

Eilu v'eilu!

↑ shayna82

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:49 pm

interesting story, perhaphs the Rebbe knew something we didnt. However, I dont think this is the case wtih the majority of these situation.

Mama Bear ↓

Sat, Jul 15 2006, 11:57 pm

With regards to egg donation, the women who gives birth to the baby is the halachic mother, so yes, the baby is Jewish. However, the poskim who do permit egg donation stipulate that the donor be Jewish (and single) to prevent such problems/issues from coming up.

ChavieK

Sun, Jul 16 2006, 12:13 am

I don't know about egg implantation but would guess it's the same as conversion.It's a mochlokes.We were at the bris of a good friend baby & the mohel told us that because it's a machlokes with conversion they use the same lashon as for an adopted baby.

shalhevet

Sun, Jul 16 2006, 2:52 am

stem wrote:

Isn't there a halacha that a woman who converts has to seperate from her husband for 3 months to determine just that?

I think I heard this - anyone know?

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Jul 16 2006, 8:37 am

I forgot to mention -
that the women impmated with the egg
from a non jewish women is jewish .