Women perfectly made up on Shabbos and Yom Tov

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:08 pm

amother wrote:

I would make them feel guilty and shout Assur Assur!!!!

No, not really. I would tell them that's it's not halachically permissable and that I hope they work towards the goal or not needing to do that one day. Whether that means staying home, moving closer to their shul, or walking ten miles each way. I would try to give them strength to make one of those choices.

Such a person, like myself, most likely knows what they are doing is wrong. So let's be realistic. Every jew is not on the same level. Everyone has different struggles. Let's just hope we're all going in the same direction. And pointing fingers and belittling someone's problems, often sends people in the other direction.

I see what you are saying, Amother.

However, from the tone of the posts on this thread it certainly seemed that the Amothers do not realize the severity of what they are doing.

Also, this forum is designed for shomer shabbos women. If I were speaking to someone from a non-frum background I would say it totally differently.

For people who are shomer mitzvos (except for certain hilchos shabbos, apparently), sometimes a bit of sarcasm and a reality check is needed.

Seriously, what is the worst thing that would happen to you if you go out without makeup? Would you go hungry? Would someone in your family risk dying from illness?

I would be surprised if even one person would stop being friends with you because of it.

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:09 pm

amother wrote:

Wow, Atali, you're so frum and wise, my problems are over. I shall remain homebound with my 6 kids indefinitely on shabbos. Thanks for the help. My husband and kids will love this solution. Who knew it was so simple?

Btw, don't go into kiruv. Guilt and minimizing someone's problems don't work so well.

You are knowingly being mechalel shabbos? shock

I hope you know that yidden are not allowed to drink from the wine at your table.

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:10 pm

amother wrote:

You are knowingly being mechalel shabbos? shock

I hope you know that yidden are not allowed to drink from the wine at your table.

I think that only applies to someone who is mechallel shabbos in public. If she is putting on the makeup in private I don't think it is a problem to drink the wine.

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↑ amother ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:20 pm

Atali wrote:

amother wrote:

You are knowingly being mechalel shabbos? shock

I hope you know that yidden are not allowed to drink from the wine at your table.

I think that only applies to someone who is mechallel shabbos in public. If she is putting on the makeup in private I don't think it is a problem to drink the wine.

I'm sure there are people that look at her IRL and think to themselves her make up looks too good and too fresh it must've been applied on Shabbos.

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:23 pm

amother wrote:

Atali wrote:

amother wrote:

You are knowingly being mechalel shabbos? shock

I hope you know that yidden are not allowed to drink from the wine at your table.

I think that only applies to someone who is mechallel shabbos in public. If she is putting on the makeup in private I don't think it is a problem to drink the wine.

I'm sure there are people that look at her IRL and think to themselves her make up looks too good and too fresh it must've been applied on Shabbos.

Ask a rav, but I don't think that would halachicly make it public chillul shabbos.

But I wouldn't be inclined to eat there anyway. If someone would be mechallel shabbos for makeup, I would be nervous that they would violate kashrus to save an expensive pot of food.

↑ mommy#1 ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:25 pm

my aunt used to go to a bungalow colony where all the women looked perfectly made up on shabbos, so she asked them how they did it, and they all answered that its their oneg shabbos to put on makeup on shabbos morning! and this was quite a few years ago, when shabbos makeup wasnt invented yet! anyway, when I heard that, I said ok, so its MY oneg shabbos to drive to the movies, take out my wallet, & pay, then watch the movie! Rolling Eyes

if anyone here has that same excuse of it being your oneg shabbos, I hope you know its 100% assur, and dont give these frum excuses!

↑ Tamiri ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:26 pm

Isramom8 wrote:

Can someone please compile a list of all these looooong lasting brands of everything so that I can search for them in Israel or the internet? For everyday of course - not for Shabbos.

But if you wear them every day except for Shabbat, people will think you are going to the mikva every Friday night shock

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:26 pm

amother wrote:

Atali wrote:

amother wrote:

You are knowingly being mechalel shabbos? shock

I hope you know that yidden are not allowed to drink from the wine at your table.

I think that only applies to someone who is mechallel shabbos in public. If she is putting on the makeup in private I don't think it is a problem to drink the wine.

I'm sure there are people that look at her IRL and think to themselves her make up looks too good and too fresh it must've been applied on Shabbos.

And she is announcing here in public.

Mrs. XYZ

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:28 pm

Tamiri wrote:

entropy wrote:

you got me, I abhor makeup. (I did wear some on my wedding though.)

Can we start a thread on this? Because the whole topic being discussed makes me feel like I am of another species.

Yeah, could I join?

I am just so shocked by this thread. I guess I am also very naive.

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:28 pm

amother wrote:

Atali wrote:

amother wrote:

You are knowingly being mechalel shabbos? shock

I hope you know that yidden are not allowed to drink from the wine at your table.

I think that only applies to someone who is mechallel shabbos in public. If she is putting on the makeup in private I don't think it is a problem to drink the wine.

I'm sure there are people that look at her IRL and think to themselves her make up looks too good and too fresh it must've been applied on Shabbos.

And she is announcing here in public.

But she is Amother and therefore anonymous

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:29 pm

Mrs. XYZ wrote:

Tamiri wrote:

entropy wrote:

you got me, I abhor makeup. (I did wear some on my wedding though.)

Can we start a thread on this? Because the whole topic being discussed makes me feel like I am of another species.

Yeah, could I join?

I am just so shocked by this thread. I guess I am also very naive.

I have given up being shocked by (almost) anything on Imamother.

↑ Isramom8 ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:33 pm

To judge favorably, people who are used to doing something don't see it as problematic. In seminary, a teacher gave one class the lowdown on brushing hair on Shabbos. How even using a Shabbos brush isn't ideal, etc. That Shabbos NO ONE WHO WAS IN THAT CLASS BRUSHED HER HAIR. It was amazing. A group of normal 18 year old American girls just didn't brush their hair. Once we make a change, it doesn't seem extreme. And nothing bad happens. Nothing. You just get stonger.

How about making THIS Shabbos an Imamother- no-putting-on-any-makeup-on Shabbos one? In honor of parshas Lech Lecha, where Avraham blindly follows the will of Hashem under scary circumstances.

It'll just be a club thing. The other ladies in shul can disapprove but they're not in this, so tough on them. Then those who did it can report back on their experiences.

What do you think?

↑ Isramom8 ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:35 pm

Tamiri wrote:

Isramom8 wrote:

Can someone please compile a list of all these looooong lasting brands of everything so that I can search for them in Israel or the internet? For everyday of course - not for Shabbos.

But if you wear them every day except for Shabbat, people will think you are going to the mikva every Friday night shock

Oh Tamiri, you have no idea how many friends were there the last Friday night I went. It was a Shabbos party.

↑ Bleemee ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:36 pm

Tamiri wrote:

amother wrote:

Ok so I need to stay inside.. no way that I leave the house w/o make up!!

That is SO SAD! What have Jewish women come to feel about their natural beauty? I am lost here.

I think the woman who is struggling with this described the reasons for her feeling uncomfortable with her natural complexion- it's somewhere above.

↑ greenfire ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:39 pm

Atali wrote:

greenfire wrote:

I actually think it would be great - but only if they're driving to shul for the spiritual aspect and not the I need to get out of the house ...

Please tell me you aren't being serious...

That is precisely the opinion of the Conservative Movement, and we see how well that worked.

I'm quite serious ... but then I'm referring to those who wouldn't otherwise go - and don't see the whole keeping shabbos down pat ... but they want to connect spiritually and therefore drive to shul ... heck for some it's either that or drive to the movies ... besides it's hard to understand if you are not that person - or if you don't know a person like that whose goal is to truly go for the spiritual aspect ...

you really never know where someone is coming from or to where they are going ...

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:48 pm

BTW, about the driving on shabbos issue.

I spent over a year as a teenager staying at other people's houses so that I could go to shul when my family did not live within walking distance. On the shabbosim that I couldn't do that, I stayed home.

I have BTDT.