Polygamy min haTorah

↑ Tefila ↓

Sun, Oct 02 2005, 11:04 am

Mandy do u have another name I may know u by on this site u sound more then familiar Scratching Head

↑ shanie5 ↓

Sun, Oct 02 2005, 4:04 pm

I think I like mandy's idea- but I think they're called maids LOL

mommy912- you are obviously not an addict of the Harry Potter series Wink

↑ Mommy912

Sun, Oct 02 2005, 4:08 pm

I am curious how 'he who must not be named' has anything to do with Mandy.

↑ sarahd

Sun, Oct 02 2005, 4:11 pm

Hmmm...when you put it that way, I think I have a clue.

↑ shanie5

Sun, Oct 02 2005, 4:18 pm

maybe she was being "evil" with her comment Twisted Evil

↑ Motek ↓

Wed, Oct 05 2005, 9:51 pm

back to the topic - the Torah calls multiple wives "tzaros" Confused

like Penina was a tzara to Chana and vice versa

↑ Mandy

Thu, Oct 06 2005, 6:39 am

well mommy 912, you like riddles. Pun intended. Very Happy

Sarad- shhh... V'hamayvin, yovin.

↑ Motek ↓

Thu, Nov 17 2005, 11:59 am

you know why those Muslims are rioting in France?

yes, polygamy is the answer

so says France's Employment Minister

http://www.sciencedaily.com/up.....y.xml

↑ Rivka

Sat, Nov 19 2005, 6:43 pm

Do you really believe that is the answer though???

↑ Tefila ↓

Sat, Nov 19 2005, 8:08 pm

It's like a child complaining my sis made me do it. When reprimanded or same as w/h Adam And Chava ....pass the buck Exclamation

↑ Motek

Sun, Dec 25 2005, 9:29 am

the Lubavitcher Chasid R' Chaikel Chanin lived in Soviet Russia and told this story about one of his adventures when he was on the run from the govt. which his son relates:

Another time my father went to a small town and stayed there for Shabbos. He had no place to sleep and he decided to remain in shul. After maariv, the rav invited him to his home. My father knew the danger that lay in a seemingly innocent invitation. He was afraid for if the rav was truly a yirei shomayim, why hadn’t he been arrested or exiled? But he felt he had no choice and he went with the rav.

The table was set for Shabbos and the wife and children were waiting. The rav recited the kiddush and they had the meal. However, after they said the birkas ha’mazon, the rav got up and asked my father to accompany him.

My father was besides himself. His fears were not for naught. Where did the rav want to take him? Would the rav hand him over to the police? Did he know something about him?

The rav noticed my father’s nervousness and calmed him, saying he was just going to another apartment of his. The rav began to walk and my father followed. They entered another apartment where my father saw a table set for Shabbos and a woman with five children. The rav sat down at the head of the table and recited kiddush again, and ate another meal!

My father stood there and wondered what was going on. Later on, he learned that the rav was from Bucharia and that he had two wives and two families with whom he ate separate Shabbos meals.

After the two meals, the rav went to a room full of sefarim, took off his shoes and socks, put his feet into a bowl of cold water so he wouldn’t fall asleep and said, “as your eating, so your Torah,” and stayed there and learned (I think it was Zohar) until dawn when they went to shul together.

↑ Tefila

Tue, Dec 19 2006, 11:12 pm

Any more thoughts on this?

faigie

Wed, Dec 20 2006, 11:01 am

im NOT into sharing.

jba

Wed, Dec 20 2006, 11:18 am

I am sure my feelings on this subject have EVERYTHING to do with the culture I grew up in, and that is just fine. DH has a distant family member that had 3 wives at one point. All three were firends and it was part of the culture to have more than one so it was ok with them.

I feel that a second wife is like cheating on your first wife. We live in a society/culture where husbands and wives aren't only that. They are also friends etc. Marriage ins't just a function of having the same end goal (kids, a jewish home etc) as it may have previoulsy been. Husbands, and wives, are emotional supports for eachother.

In my opinion, for a husband to have another wife the entire sturcture of the relationship would have to be drasitcally different from anything any of us (growing up in western culture) have ever experienced. Otherwise there would be jealousy and the like.

Ruchel ↓

Wed, Dec 20 2006, 12:01 pm

Motek wrote:

That's crazy... Polygamy was banned for Ashkenazim in 1000 and very rare even before. As for Sephardim who lived in polygamous societies, it is said that "holy" men didn't practice it either, more like rich merchants... Even in the Torah it is clear that although it was allowed, it was NOT the best thing to do and required the people to be spiritual giants to work decently (and even then...).

anuta

Wed, Dec 20 2006, 3:02 pm

For those who say its in the man's nature to have more than one wife:

then why did Hashem create one Chava for Adam, not Chava #1, Chava #2, etc.?

↑ amother

Sun, Dec 24 2006, 8:35 pm

in this weeks Jewish week their is a article about this .(pelegish.

their is a website that 14 men joined it and only 1 women.

↑ Ruchel ↓

Mon, Dec 25 2006, 5:27 pm

maybe she can be the pilegesh of the 14 guys? They're probably nuts anyway.

DefyGravity

Mon, Dec 25 2006, 5:32 pm

ISO: Kosher Concubine

Adam Dickter - Staff Report

It’s considered kosher but not proper. But for those who have a happy Orthodox marriage yet need a little something extra on the side, a new Web site promises to arrange that. And without the guilt.

A recent addition to the sometimes bizarre Jewish blogosphere is pilagesh.blogspot.com, which is devoted to legitimizing and advocating halachically sanctioned concubines, known as a pilagesh, who satisfies an observant man’s s-xual needs when his wife is not available. A decade ago, an organization, Shalom Bayis, drew headlines by recruiting young women to serve as palageshim but the organization has since vanished.

The new blog and a sister matchmaking site debuted in October. Citing rabbinic sources, the blogger insists pilagesh is a “guard for the Torah” by keeping married men away from harlots.

While the Torah does not forbid either polygamy or the use of concubines, both practices have obtained a de facto taboo as a result of exposure to Western culture.

The same owner of the pilagesh blog, who could not be reached via the e-mail listed on the blog, has also set up pilageshpersonals, promising to match up eager men with an obliging pilagesh.

Rabbi Avi Shafran, spokesman for Agudath Israel of America, suggests a better use for the blogger’s time.

“He should call Agudah’s volunteer services department and we’ll help him get a life,” said the rabbi. While conceding that the practice is not a sin, Rabbi Shafran said “many things are permitted but not engaged in. This is not anything that is normative in the Jewish world. The definition of a marriage is between a man and one wife, like the first man and his wife.” He was referring to Adam and Eve.

So far, he needn’t worry about that definition fading in the Orthodox world as a result of pilagesh personals. As of Tuesday, the site listed just 14 men willing to participate, and only one woman.

bandcm

Mon, Dec 25 2006, 6:29 pm

Like a mistress, basically, with the wife´s knowledge.