Is this board Shomer Shabbos?

↑ Estee2 ↓

Sun, Jun 11 2006, 12:26 pm

Yes, Motek, I was also eagerly awaiting her answer to your question
on the board, "Is your Rav Orthodox?"

We know that Orthodox Rabbis would not answer this way.

I wrote that we should still be pleasant and supportive
because of the fact that she did what is right at her
stage and asked her Rabbi. Yes, this site is for frum
women and I think it is also for women who are on their
way to becoming frum. (At least I thought I read that
somewhere -- I could be mistaken.)

She is undergoing a lot of pressure, it seems, with her
young daughter, and is trying hard to do what is right.
So, she asked her Rav. He did not give an answer that our
Rabbonim would give, but my response was based on my opinion
that with positive responses from us, the public, she will, in turn,
learn to strive highter, and more towards Orthodox.

Slowly, but surely.
Especially once these dire, stressful situations are worked out, IY"H.
Then, in the future, she will learn how to keep the internet off on Shabbos.
We can attract people or we can turn them off.
These trying times can be true turning points in people's lives.
(Y'Ridah L'Tzorech Aliyah ???)

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stem

Sun, Jun 11 2006, 12:31 pm

Estee2 wrote:

Yes, Motek, I was also eagerly awaiting her answer to your question
on the board, "Is your Rav Orthodox?"

We know that Orthodox Rabbis would not answer this way.

I'm pretty sure she replied that yes, he's a chabad rabbi.
I can't find that other thread to confirm though.

↑ Estee2 ↓

Sun, Jun 11 2006, 12:34 pm

I remember seeing someone write that their Chabad Rabbi
ler her pick up a prescription for her sick mother, in a car
on Shabbos. That lady wrote that in response to that thread, but the author, MM, did not respond anymore after that question, that I saw. Sad

↑ Ruchel

Sun, Jun 11 2006, 12:41 pm

GR wrote:

oh, stem, youre not the only one!
that was MITZVAHMOM'S post saying her chabad rabbi gave her permission to drive to the pharmacy on shavous to get medicine for her mother!
but that wasnt MatzosMama's post!

My friend who learns at the Neuilly yeshiva says that his rav told him it's better to invite your friends for shabbes so they see a frummer home instead of them staying home since they'll not keep shabbes anyway. But anyway I'm not comfortable with telling a friend to drive during shabbes, so yeah.

↑ Estee2

Sun, Jun 11 2006, 12:44 pm

Quote:

I think this is a good example of when people don't know the whole situation- halachic rulings can be very complex, just because you look at it one way doesn't mean there isn't another valid perspective. For example, I knew someone who was becoming frum and asked one rabbi if she could drive to shul (there was none nearby) and he said no, and she got so upset she decided she might as well give up. after speaking to someone who advised her to speak to a different Rav (a very respected one by the way- who really knows halacha) he asked if she was mechalel shabbos at home, and since she was- he said it was better that she drive to shul (and in shul she was not mechalel shabbos). She did become fully frum later on. The point is that even though we don't ever think a Rav could ever say certain things, there are times when life is more complex and the right thing is out of the ordinary and expected.

And I don't think it is fair to make someone feel guilty or obliged to explain her particular circumstances. We should be dan lechaf zechus that she is trying her hardest, and please G-d she and all of us should grow in our yiddishkeit.

I found this quote by Tzipp in the thread that Matzos Mama started
about the Friday night thing. She expressed what I think of when I hear
these stories. (Not to justify Mechallel Shabbos, CH"V, but, rather, to
see, in reality, what huge amount of good has taken place
over the long term.) Smile

↑ shayna82

Sun, Jun 11 2006, 2:37 pm

Motek wrote:

Estee2 wrote:

I feel we should be welcoming and understanding of all
Jews, here, and everywhere. Especially, those who are going through
difficult times. She did the right thing by asking a Rav.

sorry, no Orthodox rav will allow someone to surf the net because they're lonely, and Yael did write that this forum is for frum people

I'm still waiting for someone to respond to my pm that I wrote them erev Shavuos. They were posting at a time when it was Yom Tov in their stated location. I can judge her favorably and think maybe she went away for Yom Tov, but it is also her responsibility to either see to it that she doesn't do things that look like transgressions or to provide an explanation.

It's between them and G-d if it's done privately. If done publicly, that's another story.

and yes, Lily, there is at least one reform woman on here who may or may not be Jewish, she hasn't been clear about that

motek she dosnt have to give an "explanation" as you say. it would be decent to pm her privatly if you think she is transgressing something, and not bringing it the attention of everyone. not everyone is looking at times that people post and jump to conclusions. I mean , come on...

↑ Motek ↓

Tue, Jun 13 2006, 6:02 pm

shayna82 wrote:

motek she dosnt have to give an "explanation" as you say.

Halacha disagrees with you (or is it the other way round).

Quote:

it would be decent to pm her privatly

I did. Seems like you didn't read my post. I'm not talking about matza mama, but a different poster.

mali ↓

Tue, Jun 13 2006, 6:16 pm

I just want to understand something. The point of this site is, as Yael writes:

Quote:

Welcome to our website. I, Yael, together with my husband, developed Imamother.com because we felt that there was a need for a website geared to frum Jewish women and mothers.

This has nothing to do with liking, accepting or respecting other Jews. The question is: if you're Mechalel Shabbos, what are you looking for here? If you're interested in Yiddishkeit, that's nice, and you're cordially welcome. If you're just lurking here to get a picture of what Frum life is like, that's okay. But if there are outright anti-halacha posts or other actions that negate Halacha, then why are they here in the first place?! Is it fair to the posters who want a Kosher site?

↑ mumsy23

Tue, Jun 13 2006, 6:26 pm

youre right, you should be entitled to a kosher site and thats why there are moderators that make sure your eyes don't see anything they shouldn't. BUT how does a woman who is in the hospital with her sick daughter who got a heter (and you don't know that the Rav is not orthodox, you are just jumping to conclusions, ever heard of dan lcaf zechus?) to be on the internet on shabbos posting on shabbos effect you? I mean - how does her posting on shabbos make the site not kosher for you?

↑ mali ↓

Tue, Jun 13 2006, 6:32 pm

mumsy, now I have to ask my Rav if I'm altogether allowed to read posts that a Jew posted on Shabbos. And how will I know to be careful what to read and what not to read?
Okay, I'm taking it a bit far Wink

. I think there's no halachic problem. But it's just the atmosphere of the site. The point here was to make a site for Frum people, and here we are, sitting in our own Dalet Amos, reading supposedly Kosher posts written by who-knows-who.
I feel terrible for Matzos Mommy Crying

, but I know many ppl. who RL are going through very tough situations, and it wouldn't dawn on them to get a Heter to be Mechalel Shabbos for entertainment purposes Confused

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I'm starting to understand Hisorerus... Sad

↑ Motek

Tue, Jun 13 2006, 6:33 pm

And I don't think matza mama is Jewish. She has not responded to a direct question from roza asking her whether her mother's mother was/is Jewish.

Nor has she responded about whether the rabbi is Orthodox, though if she immersed in the mikva with her Reform rabbi at the temple watching ...