Warming food in an oven for shabbos?

amother

Oak ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:12 pm

amother Royalblue wrote:

I thought it was allowed. Isn’t this why ovens have Shabbat mode?

It’s for Yom tov and for food that was put in on Fridays before shabbos started.

amother

↑ Oak

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:14 pm

amother SandyBrown wrote:

this. I asked my lor a few times how to go about it and the above was the psak.
was also told it can be done in a regular oven (no shabbos mode)

Regular oven has the issue of lights turning on and heat being raised from the door being open.

amother

↑ SandyBrown

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:18 pm

amother Oak wrote:

Regular oven has the issue of lights turning on and heat being raised from the door being open.

true
my oven didnt have a light. im going to edit my post
thanks

amother

White

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:31 pm

Warming drawers or ovens are not allowed to put cold food to warm on shabbos.
In fact if you put food before shabbos, when you open the door you need to remove all the food if the oven is still on.

I don't know about sfardi but the sfardim I know irl hold the same.

I have seen people who do not know the halacha & are doing it by mistake.

↑ Ellie7

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:43 pm

amother White wrote:

In fact if you put food before shabbos, when you open the door you need to remove all the food if the oven is still on.

This is not universally held even by Ashkenazim. I was told I can take out my Friday night food and leave my yapzig in the oven.

amother

Peach

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:49 pm

amother White wrote:

We’re Ashkenazi and we take everything out if the oven is opened once, like Friday night that is YT, I heat up the food before Shabbos but when the first thing comes out all the food comes out. And we wait for the flame to go on in the oven to open the oven door. (If we had a Shabbos keeper on the oven like we do for the fridge it might be different. But GE doesn’t make a Shabbos keeper for a double oven unfortunately!)

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:52 pm

amother Snowflake wrote:

If you’re Sephardi, it’s dry, and oven has a hecker , should be ok. But as your LOR

I love when posts like this don’t specify if Sephardi or not. Hello 👋 we exist too. Can be confusing for people when blanket statements are made and not specified. I’m assuming you’re ashkenaz so in that case answer is probably different.

Can you please elaborate on exactly what this means in this situation.

amother

↑ Strawberry ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:53 pm

amother White wrote:

Warming drawers or ovens are not allowed to put cold food to warm on shabbos.
In fact if you put food before shabbos, when you open the door you need to remove all the food if the oven is still on.
.

This is rav dependent. In Baltimore my rav held this way.
I now live in a diff community (more yeshivish) and my rav says I don’t need to do it. He said it’s rav dependent. But I should keep minhag hamakom of the main rav for that if I visit.

pause ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 10:16 pm

amother Oak wrote:

It’s for Yom tov and for food that was put in on Fridays before shabbos started.

And even then, find out from the company who gives the hechsher about how to use it on Shabbos. I was told that I can only open the oven once on Shabbos and must remove all the food at the same time. The opening of the oven door triggers the fire to turn on (eventually) and it's only ok (a "grummuh") if there isn't any food inside anymore.

↑ pause

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 10:18 pm

amother Strawberry wrote:

You really need to clarify with the hashgacha because it's not only rav dependent, it's also dependent on how the oven works and how the Sabbath mode works.

b.chadash

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 10:19 pm

amother OP wrote:

I was taught this is not okay. But I have witnessed this going on in people's homes. People who identify as orthodox/ shomer mitzvot.
When I asked about it (politely, understanding that not everyone holds the same on everything obviously so maybe there is in fact a leniency that some hold it's 100% acceptable) I'm told "we hold it's okay because we're _____". Not going to fill in the blank since I see posts about groups feeling picked on; and it's more than one hashkafic group that has said this to me anyhow.
I still haven't met an orthodox rabbi who says it's okay, but I don't meet so many rabbis. So I thought I would ask here and see if maybe I could figure out if this is a legit thing or if these people are perhaps confused or misinformed.

Misinformed.
I have also been told this by people who unfortunately think it's allowed because it's in Sabbath mode.
It is assur.

amother

↑ OP

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 10:33 pm

b.chadash wrote:

Misinformed.
I have also been told this by people who unfortunately think it's allowed because it's in Sabbath mode.
It is assur.

Amother Snowflake seemed to indicate that it might be acceptable among sephardim. Hoping she will come back and clarify. Or perhaps another Sephardi Amother can chime in here?

Cheiny ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 10:49 pm

amother Royalblue wrote:

I thought it was allowed. Isn’t this why ovens have Shabbat mode?

No that’s not why they have Shabbos mode, it is absolutely assur to put food into the oven on Shabbos.
Shabbos mode keeps the lights and sounds off, etc.

Last edited by Cheiny on Mon, Nov 25 2024, 10:55 pm; edited 1 time in total

↑ Cheiny

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 10:53 pm

[quote="amother White"
In fact if you put food before shabbos, when you open the door you need to remove all the food if the oven is still on.

.[/quote]

Not everyone holds like that. My Rov, and someone at the Star K (which certifies my oven’s Shabbos mode), told me you can take stuff out and also leave stuff in to be taken out later or the next day…

amother

↑ Lightpink

Tue, Nov 26 2024, 12:15 am

Ellie7 wrote:

This is not universally held even by Ashkenazim. I was told I can take out my Friday night food and leave my yapzig in the oven.

Isn’t that an issue if the food isn’t fully cooked?

Ema of 5 ↓

Tue, Nov 26 2024, 12:17 am

amother OP wrote:

Does anyone hold that it's okay to warm up food in an oven on Shabbos?
Let's assume the oven has been left on and it's a fully baked dry food. I.e. you just want some warm challah by lunch and your oven was left on. Would you pop it in?

Some of my sefardi friends hold this way, but none of my ashkenazi friends.

↑ Ema of 5

Tue, Nov 26 2024, 12:19 am

amother Brass wrote:

I have not found any sources that say it’s okay even remotely

My parents use a warming drawer on Shabbos, though that is really not allowed either as it’s too hot (200 degrees). They aren’t following a psak

Our rav told us that a warming drawer is fine, but not for anything liquid (like soup) or cooked in sauce (like meatballs) Foods that are juicy in and of themselves (like chicken, which produces liquid) is fine as long as it wasn’t cooked in a sauce.

amother

↑ Strawberry

Tue, Nov 26 2024, 12:20 am

pause wrote:

Many ppl use a magnet on the door. It easy and cheap and the door doesn’t know it’s opened.