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proudema

Thu, Aug 24 2006, 12:57 pm

I know a lot of Rabbonim wont give a hechsher to somewhere opened on Shabbos. There have been restaurants that lost their hahgacha bec. they were open on Shabbos.

↑ Ruchel ↓

Thu, Aug 24 2006, 1:04 pm

proudema wrote:

I know a lot of Rabbonim wont give a hechsher to somewhere opened on Shabbos. There have been restaurants that lost their hahgacha bec. they were open on Shabbos.

Yup. There are restaurants who are totally kosher, but open on shabbes, so you can't eat there... it's sad, because not everyone can afford to close on shabbes.

↑ cindy324

Thu, Aug 24 2006, 1:09 pm

I don't know about the Indian restaurant, as I never ate there, but LeMarais is owned by a [gentile], it's a steak house, and it's definitely closed on shabbos. I believe it's certified by the OU and the place is always packed with everyone from non jews to chassidim.

I didn't think a kosher place is allowed to be open on shabbos under any circumstances, but maybe someone else can shed some light on this What

↑ Ruchel ↓

Thu, Aug 24 2006, 1:12 pm

cindy324 wrote:

I didn't think a kosher place is allowed to be open on shabbos under any circumstances, but maybe someone else can shed some light on this What

No, it is not.

↑ Ruchel

Fri, Aug 25 2006, 5:32 am

SaraG wrote:

Is it so hard to be shomershbbos? I mean, we do it!

For some jobs, shabbes would be the best day. Some manage to live without that money, others don't.

shalhevet

Fri, Aug 25 2006, 5:38 am

Ruchel wrote:

proudema wrote:

I know a lot of Rabbonim wont give a hechsher to somewhere opened on Shabbos. There have been restaurants that lost their hahgacha bec. they were open on Shabbos.

Yup. There are restaurants who are totally kosher, but open on shabbes, so you can't eat there... it's sad, because not everyone can afford to close on shabbes.

Everyone can afford to close on Shabbos. Just some people THINK they can't afford to. Crying

The Chafetz Chaim gave a parable of a keg with 6 taps on it. Only a fool thinks that if he will put a 7th tap on the keg there will be more wine in there. Similarly it is decided on Rosh Hashana how much a person will earn all year. If someone works on Shabbos they will just earn less the other days.

Jews throughout time have sacrified everything to keep Shabbos.

happymom

Fri, Aug 25 2006, 7:48 am

I dont get why the manager has to be jewish or anything like that for the restaurant to be kosher. u know there are plenty of kosher things with the company owned by a guy.

↑ Pickle Lady ↓

Fri, Aug 25 2006, 8:21 am

Ruchel wrote:

proudema wrote:

I know a lot of Rabbonim wont give a hechsher to somewhere opened on Shabbos. There have been restaurants that lost their hahgacha bec. they were open on Shabbos.

Yup. There are restaurants who are totally kosher, but open on shabbes, so you can't eat there... it's sad, because not everyone can afford to close on shabbes.

My non-frum sister worked in many non-kosher restaurants. The money making day were friday saturday and sunday.

For a [gentile] to think of not opening up a restaurant on saturday is crazy to them. But if thier clientele is kosher then its not so crazy. The resturant my husband worked at was owned by a [gentile]. On sataurdays he used to clean the restaurant and maked any repairs.

↑ JRKmommy ↓

Fri, Aug 25 2006, 1:37 pm

Theoretically, I can understand that a restaurant which serves kosher food but is owned and run by non-Jews and caters to non-Jews would want to be open on Shabbat, and it wouldn't be a case of a Jew breaking Shabbat for that to happen. I've never seen that allowed in Toronto, though, so I was wondering how things work in New York. I remember that more than one kosher restaurant was like that.

Now I'm curious about what going on with the restaurants here, but I don't want to spread anything. Can I just ask which Toronto kosher restaurants you WOULD recommend (midtown and Thornhill)?

mimsy7420 ↓

Fri, Aug 25 2006, 2:05 pm

The only one in toronto that I know for sure lost its hashgacha is Golden Chopstix. The COR took away their hashgacha for a number of reasons, I don't think any of them were mentioned above. Golden Chopstix then sued the COR and they won, so the COR was forced to give it back its hashgacha, then the COr won on appeal, so they took away the hashgacha. Now Golden Chopstix operates under a different hashgacha that I've never heard of. There is a big sign that says GLATT KOSHER UNDER FULL SUPERVISION. But people should be aware that they are not under COR, and shouldnt trust their hashgacha lest we undermine the COR. Now there are good points of having one uniform hasgacha in the city. One of them being we have to put up witha lot of politics, and high prices. But on the other hand, in what other city can you eat in all the Conservative shuls?

realeez ↓

Sat, Aug 26 2006, 7:22 pm

JRK, my dh is friends w/ the mashgiach at Bistro Grande - he recommends them - and so do we but you'd have to shlep down here! (maybe we'll have a lunch date!)

↑ mimsy7420 ↓

Sat, Aug 26 2006, 7:29 pm

Bistro Grande is very good.
Dh and I went out this week to Merron which is a new fancy place for our anniversary. I liked it, the food was good, but very small portions. So you have to order an appetizer and a main course in order to be full. Dh wasn't such a fan, because he's a big eater, and he doesn't like eating in restaurants in general. But it was a very nice fancy ambiance, which is nice to experience.

↑ realeez

Sun, Aug 27 2006, 4:08 am

eek, I would have told you NOT to go there! we were ready to go to bais burger afterwards - we were so hungry and we are both small eaters!
next time go to gladstone's!

↑ amother

Sun, Aug 27 2006, 5:59 am

some jewish places can be open on shabbos if a guy takes over or they have a deal with a guy like a petnership or something.... a guy can be open on shabbos. I dont see the problem.

su7kids

Sun, Aug 27 2006, 7:23 am

amother, the problem witha place being open on Shabbos, whether its being run by a non Jew or not, is the keilim.

There are those who hold that keilim used for cooking/baking on Shabbos are treif.

↑ Pickle Lady

Sun, Aug 27 2006, 8:59 am

su7kids wrote:

amother, the problem witha place being open on Shabbos, whether its being run by a non Jew or not, is the keilim.

There are those who hold that keilim used for cooking/baking on Shabbos are treif.

thats the problem the keilim and the food cooked on shabbos. Also a mashigiach would have to be there to supervise. Do you trust a [gentile] to make sure food is kosher?I think not..

↑ JRKmommy

Tue, Sep 05 2006, 12:25 pm

Already tried Bistro Grande and LOVED it! High quality stuff, decent portions, and the prices weren't outrageous for what you get. Good "date" place with dh.

We're planning to try Gladstone's for our birthdays.

I had hoped, though, that it would have been possible to get decent take-out closer to home (in Thornhill). My kids (2, 3 and 6) are no longer that easy to take out with us, and there is only so much pizza you can eat.

↑ mimsy7420

Tue, Sep 05 2006, 12:44 pm

JRKmommy wrote:

Joe Boos Cookoo is good. They have a very good chicken breast on baguette sandwich, which you can get whole wheat! And for the kids they have chicken fingers, hots dogs etc.
You can also take out a whole bbqued chicken with side dishes which is very convenient.