Devastating Irreversible Abusive Treatments

↑ chanatron1000 ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:26 am

Transgender ideologists specifically influence young neurodivergent people to reframe the feeling of not fitting in as not fitting in with others of their s-x because they have a different gender identity. And the recommended course of action ranges from medical intervention that impacts fertility to complete sterilization. It's eugenics with extra steps.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:28 am

amother [ Charcoal ] wrote:

I'm not admitting anything because again - I haven't looked into it.

I haven't made any comments at all about therapists, one way or the other (other than that I agree that regulatory bodies, not the government should be tasked with evaluating therapies).

And yah - if she wants to avoid a full fledged investigation - she can give up her license. That's basically how they all work.

I just showed you PROOF that if a mental health professional opposes Trans Agenda
for children she will lose her license -

and you still refuse to admit anything!

That is being disingenuous. You cannot admit the Government is Outlawing Mental Health
Professionals from stating their TRUE opinions - despite proof in your face.

Sad.

↑ BrisketBoss ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:28 am

chanatron1000 wrote:

Yup, they are especially vulnerable.

I think it is a valid choice for a parent to respect a teen's identity and let them present as they want. Just nothing medical/permanent. When they're adults, they can make those choices on their own dime and we'll all pray it works out for them.

amother

↑ Charcoal ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:28 am

#BestBubby wrote:

"Reports" by what PERCENT of conversion therapy clients??? It is Telling that it won't say.

So some clients are unhappy with their conversion therapy experience.

Well Many clients who were Encouraged by mental health professionals to Transition
are Unhappy!!!

There are "reports of negative and at times deleterious consequences to clients" who
underwent Transition Therapy.

Trans who transitioned have the highest suicide rate of any group!!!

So transition therapy is very, very harmful - causes suicide!

Charcoal, please explain to me why the Government is not Banning Transition Therapy!

Not only is Government not banning Transition Therapy where there are many reports
of clients who are had deleterious consequences, including highest suicide rate, Government
will REVOKE LICENSE of any mental health professional who speaks out against transition therapy!

I don't owe you anything.

But to be clear - you are arguing that Conversion Therapy is banned because the insurance companies want money from Transition Therapies?

If that is what you are arguing - I disagree with it.

Because all I have said - is that Conversion Therapy is banned because its ineffective and harmful.

I havn't addressed Transition Therapy at all - and that's my choice - I have thoughts on it - and if you look back, I didn't argue with OP at all... other than to say, she's preaching to the choir.

The poster who brought in Conversion Therapy clarified her point, and I'm in agreement with her.

And feel free to read up on Conversion Therapy - I included one article, because I figured (incorrectly) that you would hold by the RCA position, not to support it.

amother

↑ Charcoal ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:31 am

#BestBubby wrote:

I'm not on trial BB.

You didn't show me proof of that. Show me the results of the investigation.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:32 am

amother [ Jade ] wrote:

Actually there are evidence- based studies showing this modality works. I’ve got them.

Any everyone needs to do what’s best for their child, I don’t think this is the only path. There’s never just one path.

ETA, I’m at work and can’t seem to find my file of studies on my phone but if you go to Pubmed you’ll find countless studies on Autism and transgender and treatment outcomes.

These studies don't show 5, 10, 20 years later, so they are irrelevant. There will be a honeymoon period where the person is thrilled with the attention and the effect of hormones but it does fade for many.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:35 am

amother [ Charcoal ] wrote:

Because all I have said - is that Conversion Therapy is banned because its ineffective and harmful.

But I have refuted the proofs you offered that Conversion Therapy is ineffective and harmful.

1. The opinion of Mental Health Professionals cannot be proof because they are FORCED to
say Conversion Therapy is ineffective and harmful or they will lose their license!

Just like Mental Health Professionals are not allowed to say that Transition Therapy is
harmful or they will lose their license

2. That a some clients of conversion therapy are unhappy is not proof that other clients
of conversion therapy are also unhappy.

There are many clients of Transition Therapy who are unhappy - Why isn't Transition Therapy banned by the Government?

There are many clients of Transition Therapy who committed Suicide - highest suicide rate
of any group in the country - Why isn't Transition Therapy banned by Government?

amother

↑ Jade ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:35 am

amother [ OP ] wrote:

Not true. There are some longitudinal studies.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:37 am

amother [ Charcoal ] wrote:

I'm not on trial BB.

You didn't show me proof of that. Show me the results of the investigation.

Just the fact that a mental health professional is THREATENED with the loss of her
license for disagreeing with the Leftist Agenda is proof enough.

Here is more proof: From Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/faith-.....onoun

Christian doctor of 30 years loses job for refusing to use transgender patient's preferred pronoun

Forced Speech is against the Constitution! The Hospital Violated the Doctor's First Amendment Right not to be FORCED to say words he does not agree with (that a man is a woman)!

More Proof that any Professional who disagrees with Leftist Agenda will be Persecuted!

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amother

↑ Jade ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:45 am

amother [ OP ] wrote:

the ones that are longitudinal are not available, because they show terrible outcomes.

Are you saying this as a fact that you’ve studied? Or are just spouting someone else’s latest Ted talk?
I’d be really interested in reading substantial proof to your claim, it actually is pertinent to me.

amother

↑ Charcoal ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 9:49 am

#BestBubby wrote:

I didn't offer proof - I offered what I thought would be meaningful support of my assertion.

Please feel free to show me all of the Jewish Conversion Therapy places that are shutting down on account of a ban.

I'm not interested in discussing Transition Therapy, or therapists.

I also think its disturbing that you've concluded that Conversion Therapy is good because there are no scientific studies to show otherwise. There is reams of testimony.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 10:02 am

BestBubby wrote:

Just the fact that a mental health professional is THREATENED with the loss of her
license for disagreeing with the Leftist Agenda is proof enough.

proof enough that mental health professionals are not free to disagree with Leftist Agenda.

amother [ Charcoal ] wrote:

No it isn't.

Anyone care to weigh in?

amother

↑ Jade ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 10:12 am

#BestBubby wrote:

A 2011 study found that after relations reassignment surgery, more than 300 Swedish transsexuals faced a higher risk for mortality, suicide ideation, and psychiatric issues

https://www.newsweek.com/trans.....76777

So this isn’t a study, it’s journalism. But I did have a look at the study linked in the article.

First of all, it’s a very old study( 2003) and wouldn’t hold up academically speaking.
Second, it’s an interesting study but the problem is they used a control group of random people in the population instead of having a control group of trans people who did not go through with gender reassignment against the study group of people with trandgenderism we go did go through with reassignment. So it doesn’t really hold up as proof.