DEI and racism. | Imamother

↑ ally ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 3:20 pm

sushilover wrote:

I think racism is wrong.

I genuinely wasn't trying to shut down conversation. I was pointing out that you shouldn't generalize based on race.

You keep coming up with these far-fetched imaginary situations, that assume everything is to do with race to prove my arguments wrong.
So in your last post, you assume that the Chinese nurses were hired because they are Chinese, not because they can speak Chinese and be culturally sensitive. And to argue this you imagine that there are all these non Chinese people who speak Chinese and have worked with the Chinese community etc... I mean, what is the likelihood of that?

↑ ally ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 3:22 pm

amother OP wrote:

I think you hit on the exact point we disagree on.

You are taking for granted that every company will use DEI in a very small and insignificant way. You're saying that when there are 2 almost equally qualified candidates, DEI tells us to hire the minority.

Why do you assume this? I mentioned before Karine Jean Pierre. Forget her politics. When I look at her, she is a classic DEI hire. She was terrible in front of the camera. She would constantly look down at her notes to answer basic questions. She looked lost and confused- But she's a black, gay woman. So she was hired even though she was unqualified.

I assume it because it is my experience and what I see happening in reality.

↑ sushilover ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 3:23 pm

ally wrote:

If you want to hire people who speak Chinese and have experience with the Chinese community, do so. I have no problem with that.
Don't hire someone because of the shape of their eyes and claim that you are diverse.

↑ ally ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 3:28 pm

sushilover wrote:

But you are assuming that they were hired just because they look Chinese. Why do you assume that?

↑ sushilover ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 3:37 pm

ally wrote:

But you are assuming that they were hired just because they look Chinese. Why do you assume that?

I assume that because that is what amother mocha shared: Nurses were hired to reflect the diversity of the patients. (Perhaps mocha can clarify if they were hired based on their language or understanding of a specific community. Would a white person who speaks Chinese and has experience in the community be hired as easily someone who looks Chinese? In that case, I would support such hires. )

Also that is how DEI is applied generally. It means people are hired based on their minority status, not because of skills or experience in a minority culture. If it was about skills, employers would specify that. They don't because it isn't.

↑ ally

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 3:52 pm

sushilover wrote:

Have you actually worked in the secular workforce that you are so confident of this?

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 3:57 pm

The government tried to give subsidies to black farmers

Instead of giving subsidies to poor farmers of any race

This is straight out racism and SCOTUS stopped it.

Nobody should defend racism and DEI is Racism.

↑ dancingqueen ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:28 pm

amother OP wrote:

So you admit that “DEI hire” is meant as an insult but then you wonder why people are offended by it?

↑ dancingqueen

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:34 pm

sushilover wrote:

If my boss had a good reason to hire a jewish employee, I wouldn't be insulted if later I was referred to as the jewish employee.
If she did not have a good reason and was only hiring jewish employees out of racism or to look good, I might get insulted to be called the Jewish employee.

And about frum doctors: religious is not a a DEI criteria. Race, gender, and orientation are.
You point out that we want frum doctors. That is true. But again, race and ethnicity are irrelevant. We would all prefer a frum Chinese doctor than a jewish born doctor who doesn't respect our traditions.

No, not a Jewish employee (fact), a “Jewish hire” implying you only got the job because you are Jewish. It’s offensive and clearly you all know it and are using the term as an insult. It doesn’t make us look good when you call ppl DEI hires. But you all will do what you’re going to do.

And it’s called cultural competence and there are proven better health outcomes when successfully applied. Same way we like having frum doctors who understand our lifestyle and concerns.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:35 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

So you admit that “DEI hire” is meant as an insult but then you wonder why people are offended by it?

No.

we are wondering why people who admit that
"DEI hire" is an insult defend DEI.

If " DEI hire" is an insult that proves DEI is bad.

↑ sushilover ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:43 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

If I was a doctor and got hired at a clinic that was openly looking for frum doctors for good reasons, why would I be insulted to be called the "frum hire"? I would be proud. The clinic has a need for frum doctors and here I am.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:45 pm

ally wrote:

Lol. I am literally telling you my experience on the ground and you don't want to hear it.

Why are you narrowing the scope of DEI to your personal experience?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:50 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

So you admit that “DEI hire” is meant as an insult but then you wonder why people are offended by it?

Yes, DEI is insulating. But once it's implemented then we have a right to call it what it is.

Is Karine Jean Pierre a DEI hire? Yes. Is it insulting to say it? Yes? You know how it would stop? Stop hiring incompetent people because they are black and gay.

I'm sure she's good at plenty of things and could get a job legitimately. Why hire her if she isn't qualified?

princessleah

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 5:16 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Another example of an Unqualified DEI hire was the President of Harvard.
She was a plagiarist which would get a student expelled but because she is a black woman and extreme leftist she gets to be President of Harvard.
This is DEI.

You are telling Ally her one experience is anecdotal, yet your two examples are data?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 5:53 pm

princessleah wrote:

You are telling Ally her one experience is anecdotal, yet your two examples are data?

I don't want this to be political. But.....

Executive Order 14035

This executive order seeks to create a Government-wide initiative to promote diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility.

A quick google search tells us that many of the biggest companies in the US use DEI when hiring. These companies include:

TD Bank, Humana, Intel, Salesforce, Mastercard, Novartis, Proctor and Gamble, and too many more to list.

Obviously DEI is sweeping the country. I have no doubt that in many instances it is being applied in insignificant ways where candidates are close to equal anyway. (Not that this isn't discriminatory) But why would you assume that the hundreds of companies that apply DEI to hiring aren't using it in a more unfair and potentially unsafe way?

And yes, it says something that the biggest institutions in the country have unqualified DEI hires front and center.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 6:40 pm

princessleah wrote:

You are telling Ally her one experience is anecdotal, yet your two examples are data?

I put posted on this page that
94% of New Corporate hires are Non White!!!

https://www.outkick.com/analys.....white

65% of the work force is white and only 6% are getting hired!!!

That is not two examples

That is Thousands of people hired mainly for being non white.

That is extreme anti white racism!

↑ Queen Of Hearts

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 6:47 pm

At the end of the day Libs want to have their cake and eat it too.
Staunch feminists and then they can't define 'what is a woman'?
Outspoken about their DEI hiring and then offended if you call them a DEI hire.

amother

↑ Melon

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 7:06 pm

amother OP wrote:

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We have a signed executive order in this country to implement DEI when hiring. And then when we hire a DEI candidate we aren't allowed to say it's DEI?

Calling someone a DEI hire is suggesting that they were hired solely on the basis of the diversity they bring to the table rather than any other skills or qualifications they may have.

It's like the question: what do you call a female scientist? A scientist. Not because being a woman is a negative thing, but a respected professional doesn't need to be identified by her gender when her coworkers are simply identified by their role.

So what do you call a minority new hire? A new hire.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 7:26 pm

amother Melon wrote:

What if in fact they were hired soley for their skin color or orientation rather than skills or qualifications? I call that a DEI hire.

What do you can it?