Davening in Bingo | Imamother

amother

Kiwi

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 9:29 am

Elfrida wrote:

I think it's the chutz l'aretz version of Osher Ad. The logos are too similar for it to be coincidence.

Personally, I'd have found a corner, rather than in the middle of the aisle, but nothing wrong with it in principle.

Yes it's the same owner.

amother

↑ Anemone ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 9:31 am

amother Candycane wrote:

I got triggered because I find the idea of a woman having to hide being spiritual and talking to Hashem to be really disgusting and offensive.

Yep. Same. Felt like spirituality is inherently male and if a women is being a bit masculine at least she should hide. No way that it can be s-xual

amother

↑ Brass

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 9:34 am

I don't view it as immodest in the sense of attracting lascivious thoughts. I view it as immodest in the sense of flaunting your piety, not unlike saying "Baruch Hashem" every third word of every sentence you utter. Whom are you trying to impress? Not the Borei Olam, I'm thinking, because He can hear you even whispering inaudibly in a corner.

And since you asked, I object to flamboyant public displays of piety by men as well.

amother

↑ Anemone ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 9:38 am

amother Brass wrote:

For so many people it’s simply a habit, and again, the majority of posk rule that women have a chiyuv in Mincha and the other half say it’s better if she does. We should be trying to emulate her not saying she’s to pious.

And getting stuck is so possible and so common. Maybe she has so much yiras shamayim that she would rather get embarrassed than skip davening.

For you to be personally bothered? I think that doesn’t come from a good place

amother

Tangerine

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 9:40 am

as a person who makes an effort not to be embarrassed of my judiasm, I daven in airports, on planes, and parking lots next to the car if I have no other option. its hard to do but I care about davening, and so I do it. davening in front of nonjews is always uncomfortable and you wonder if they think you are weird.

however if I happened to be a FRUM store, amongst only frum people, and it was before shkia, I would daven discreetly without feeling uncomfortable. after all everyone "gets it"

now I am shocked, hurt and confused. I never thought davening in a frum store would be problematic.

amother

Burlywood ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 9:45 am

amother Buttercup wrote:

Really interesting...I think that as high school girls we did things like this all the time. Pulling over in a rest area and davening by the car, for example. But I don't think, barring extreme extreme circumstances, I would daven mincha in a bingo aisle.

I don't think there is a halacha that man cannot see a women daven. The halachik concern is mingled/mixed davening. Certainly it's not erva like a woman's voice (or hair, according to some).

However, there is something intrinsically intimate and personal about davening shmone esray in particular. I don't think anyone would have look twice at a woman saying tehillim at the doctor's office.

In a situation where I would otherwise miss mincha, I would daven tashlumim. But if there was a reason for not missing ( kabbalah, 40 days, etc) I would got either in my car or next to my car, or at the side of the building. Not in middle of an aisle for everyone to see.

(Modesty is not just a response to shame. There is nothing shameful about a woman singing, there is nothing shameful about our bodies.)

Love the bold!

patzer

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 10:01 am

amother Buttercup wrote:

In a situation where I would otherwise miss mincha, I would daven tashlumim. But if there was a reason for not missing ( kabbalah, 40 days, etc) I would got either in my car or next to my car, or at the side of the building. Not in middle of an aisle for everyone to see.

I don't know if that's permissible. Davening tashlumim is an option when you miss a tefilla accidentally, due to circumstances beyond your control. Halachic authorities differ on how extenuating the circumstances need to be, but all agree that if you made a conscious, deliberate choice to miss a tefilla, tashlumim is not an option.

amother

↑ Apricot ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 10:04 am

amother Tangerine wrote:

I don't think it's problematic, I think it's wonderful! Keep it up!

watergirl

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 10:15 am

amother Tangerine wrote:

Can you see the difference between finding a quiet corner and a grocery store to daven vs. blocking the cereal someone is trying to reach?

amother

↑ Lime ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 10:16 am

I'm curious which bingo it was I would give suggestions of quiet corners but lakewood rockaway and brooklyn locations are different....

Is mincha a diorasa for women?????

amother

↑ Burlywood

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 10:16 am

It doesn't sit right with me. I can't put my finger on exactly why.

Maybe because when we pray, we are exposing our intimate spirituality/souls? It doesn't seem right do that in middle of aisle 12.

amother

↑ Anemone

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 10:16 am

amother Lime wrote:

I'm curious which bingo it was I would give suggestions of quiet corners but lakewood rockaway and brooklyn locations are different....

Is mincha a diorasa for women?????

Organized prayer is not a dioraisa period.

↑ Bnei Berak 10

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 10:55 am

amother Brass wrote:

You have a valid point. Rabbi Falk also writes about it in his book.
That said IMHO it's RARE to see a woman praying in a supermarket. Just ignore and DLKZ. Continue with your life.

Miri1

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 3:31 pm

How uncomfortable for the woman who might be reading this, especially since the store was mentioned by name.

I'm pretty sure it's not right to embarass her by discussing it online.

amother

Seablue ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 3:32 pm

Success10 wrote:

It could be she took on a Kabbalah like 40 days of mincha or something and she remembered at the last minute.

And even if she didnt! Good for her!

amother

Holly ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 4:14 pm

amother Mayflower wrote:

We always learned that a woman should not daven in public where there are men around. I’m sure she had a good reason for doing so.

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amother

Linen

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 4:17 pm

Success10 wrote:

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Love this. One year I heard Megillah in the maternity ward of Shaarei Tzedek. But it could be they have that in chul as well.

I once visited a friend who was in hospital over Purim. She wasn't in her room and the nurse told me she's gone to hear the 'blowing'. Couldn't work out what she meant until she said 'sorry I meant the reading'!
She'd gotten confused between 'blowing' (shofar) and 'reading' (megilla)!

amother

↑ Holly ↓

Mon, Dec 02 2024, 4:21 pm

amother Lime wrote:

I'm curious which bingo it was I would give suggestions of quiet corners but lakewood rockaway and brooklyn locations are different....

Is mincha a diorasa for women?????

It's drabanan. Same as it is for men.