Why do people say exetera?

Bnei Berak 10 ↓

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 11:09 am

Ruchel wrote:

Calling a male widow

Saying "I'm looking for a male masseuse"

Masseuse is French and French grammar so it's somewhat OK to make such a mistake if you don't speak French Smile

amother

Nasturtium ↓

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 11:13 am

amother Brass wrote:

A lot of pronunciations are acceptable and common in different areas and among various groups of people.

I say exetra (although it's not a word I say often) because that's how I hear it said. I'm aware that it is written etcetera, and I write it correctly. I don't think I'm lazy just because I'm using a common pronunciation that people in my environment use and understand. I'll speak correctly when the setting requires it.

Not lazy. Just pure ignorance.

amother

Winterberry

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 11:34 am

Not everyone is from the same city. There is a range of dialects and pronounciations. Just because that is what you learnt is correct for you, someone else can learn something different where they live and also be correct. Potato/Potahto argument. And when you start going international, no the american accent is really not the only one.

amother

Marigold

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 11:37 am

zaq wrote:

For the same reasons they say "axed" a question, storage "draws," a good "idear" and other jarring expressions: ignorance and/or laziness.

Then again, I say "gonna" and I'm neither (totally) ignorant nor (exceptionally) lazy. That's just how people say "going to" where I grew up.I could say "going to" but it would require planning and effort, neither of which usually comes into play in ordinary conversation.

These are all different though
“Ax” is the way black people say it
“Draws” is just a plain old mistake
“Idear” is a dialect where people add an R sound to words ending with an A. I think people in northeast USA speak like this. I had a teacher who spoke like this and she called me “Ahuver”. Drove me crazy

amother

Teal

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 11:44 am

It’s usually that people just don’t know. I’m sure when majority of the people realize the mistake they’ll feel dumb and stop using the wrong words.
My kids say - “hadded to” instead of had to. They are already in high school and even though I’ve corrected them many times they insist that everyone uses the word hadded. In fact they’ve told me that even their teacher say hadded to. I can’t believe how adults can speak like that.

Reality ↓

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 12:00 pm

amother Marigold wrote:

Plenty of white NYers say "ax". Many Italians in Brooklyn say "ax".

"Draws" isn't a mistake. People with a NY accent drop some "r"s and add an "r" where there isn't any. So the same person who says "draw" will also say "idear" and "Ahuver".

thriver

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 12:06 pm

amother Clover wrote:

Oh yay - we’re doing this!

Sigsdy(60)
Fivdy (50)

🙉🙉

Came on to say this! My pet-peeve!!

I’ve taught my children to never say it like that… and when their friends do, I say “What?” Like I have no idea what they’re trying to say and then I tell them its proper pronunciation and tell them that if they don’t want to sound ignorant…

One of my children’s friends proudly told me that she now says fif-tee…! We can change the world by educating them one child at a time…! 🤣

amother

Orange

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 12:08 pm

mamaleh wrote:

I will agree with most of your examples being ignorance and/or laziness but “idear” is a regional accent in New England (especially around Boston). They drop some Rs and add others. “I have an idear, let’s pahk the cah in Hahvad Yahd.”

Having grown up near there (with parents who did not have that accent) we often found it quite funny. We were friendly with a family whose eldest daughter was called Mala, so that’s what we called her, until we got an invitation to a graduation party at their house for someone named Marla. It took us a good few minutes to realize what was going on.

While it may be jarring, it is not ignorance or laziness that causes it, more of a tomato/tomahto type situation.

This brings back memories!

↑ zaq ↓

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 12:09 pm

Reality wrote:

When they spell it DRAW, it's not a dialect; it's wrong. Nobody on Imamotha who wants to declutter her "draws"--and writes it that way-- writes about her sista who uses butta to make challer, even if she pronounces it that way.

My childhood bff stored things in "drows", rhymes with "close." This is not tomayto, tomahto.

amother

Bisque ↓

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 12:39 pm

FYI, the days of the week can be pronounced day at the end or dee at the end. Like sundee, mundee, or Sunday Monday. Both are correct. And I’ve lived all over the us and have never heard them referred to the first way.

amother

↑ Brass

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 12:45 pm

amother Nasturtium wrote:

Not lazy. Just pure ignorance.

What am I ignorant of? I said that I am aware of how to write etcetera. If there is a requirement for me to pronounce every word perfectly, then I am definitely ignorant of that.
I am choosing to pronounce a word (the only) way that I hear it pronounced. That may not be your choice, and it may not be the same way that you hear the word pronounced, but it doesn't mean I'm lacking knowledge or information.

I will happily continue to use pronunciations that are commonly used around me, even if I learn that they are technically incorrect. Doesn't bother me. And I don't say expecially, exape, or the other examples people gave, but I'm sure I would if everyone around me did!

mfb

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 12:55 pm

penguin wrote:

Gonna is an acceptable word in the NYT Spelling Bee. Unfortunately.

Screamed pronounced skraymt. No, it's scream and then add -ed. Why on earth does anyone think otherwise? (If it comes from Yiddish, someone please enlighten us!)

verb. a shakesperian word for screamed. ... he screamt the words "I hate you" ... screamt is the pass tense of scream, you can dream, and you just dreamt,

amother

cornflower ↓

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 1:00 pm

amother Bisque wrote:

You've never heard Sunday pronounced as Sun-dee? I've heard it many times.

Or you've never heard it called Sun-day? I've heard that one as well Wink

amother

↑ cornflower ↓

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 1:01 pm

amother Brass wrote:

It's funny but also really annoying when people are ignorant and also arrogant, so they think people doing it a different way are the ignorant ones. Just a pet peeve of mine ... sorry ... you are correct, and there is NOTHING wrong with pronouncing it "exetera" if that's what is commonly done around you.

honeymoon

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 1:04 pm

mamaleh wrote:

Ideas and sawr. Drives me crazy

chanatron1000

Thu, Nov 28 2024, 1:07 pm

It's perfectly normal for pronunciations to naturally evolve, and it's a bit silly to consider it incorrect until it's about to become universal. What makes something correct English, when by the same principles by which you consider certain pronunciations and usages incorrect, the entire language can be considered incorrrect?