Warming food in an oven for shabbos?

amother

OP ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 6:48 pm

Does anyone hold that it's okay to warm up food in an oven on Shabbos?
Let's assume the oven has been left on and it's a fully baked dry food. I.e. you just want some warm challah by lunch and your oven was left on. Would you pop it in?

amother

Lightcoral

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 6:56 pm

As far as I know, that's not allowed.

You can't put cooked dry food directly on the blech on Shabbos, so why would you be able to put food in a situation where it is heated from all directions?

happy chick

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 7:00 pm

amother OP wrote:

I believe that would fall under the category of baking. So not allowed. But you can always aylor.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 7:38 pm

I was taught this is not okay. But I have witnessed this going on in people's homes. People who identify as orthodox/ shomer mitzvot.
When I asked about it (politely, understanding that not everyone holds the same on everything obviously so maybe there is in fact a leniency that some hold it's 100% acceptable) I'm told "we hold it's okay because we're _____". Not going to fill in the blank since I see posts about groups feeling picked on; and it's more than one hashkafic group that has said this to me anyhow.
I still haven't met an orthodox rabbi who says it's okay, but I don't meet so many rabbis. So I thought I would ask here and see if maybe I could figure out if this is a legit thing or if these people are perhaps confused or misinformed.

amother

Brass ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 7:41 pm

I have not found any sources that say it’s okay even remotely

My parents use a warming drawer on Shabbos, though that is really not allowed either as it’s too hot (200 degrees). They aren’t following a psak

↑ effess ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 7:46 pm

amother Royalblue wrote:

I thought it was allowed. Isn’t this why ovens have Shabbat mode?

It really should not be called Shabbos mode. It confuses ppl. It should be called yt mode, because it overrides the safety feature and stays on past 12 hours. Calling it Shabbos mode causes innocent ppl to think it’s ok to use on Shabbos

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 7:55 pm

amother Lightcyan wrote:

So it's not allowed to leave anything in the oven from before shabbos let's say on 200F and then use it Friday night for the meal?

You can.

My question isn't about food left in oven from before shabbos.
My question is about putting food in when it's already shabbos.
With the assumption that it's a food that is allowed to be warmed up, but in some other way. Challah is the example I gave. It's fully baked and totally dry. And the assumption that the oven is already on, so it's not a turning on of electricity I'm asking about. It's about whether or not putting food into an oven ON shabbos is ever okay according to any orthodox group's understanding of Halacha.

amother

↑ Brass ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 7:57 pm

amother Royalblue wrote:

I thought it was allowed. Isn’t this why ovens have Shabbat mode?

You can have food in there from before shabbos starts, and take it out on Shabbos, but you are not allowed to put anything IN on shabbos

amother

↑ Brass

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 7:58 pm

amother OP wrote:

Ellie7 ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 8:55 pm

The problem is mechtzei k’bishul. It looks like cooking. That’s why you need a blech on your stovetop. (Also, I believe some people hold you can put food directly on the blech but that’s a different discussion.) You’d only put in cooked food, so there would be no cooking happening but it looks exactly the same as cooking. I’ve never looked into
warming drawers but assuming people don’t actually cook in them, I’d think they might be ok.

Also, while Shabbos mode is actually mostly Yom Tov mode, it does do a few things for Shabbos, too. It overrides the 12-hour shutoff, which is helpful if you’re making yapzig. It also makes it so the display won’t change if you open the oven and the oven light won’t go on. And if you set the oven to go off after Shabbos starts, it won’t beep or anything when it goes off.

amother

SandyBrown ↓

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:02 pm

amother Brass wrote:

You can have food in there from before shabbos starts, and take it out on Shabbos, but you are not allowed to put anything IN on shabbos

this. I asked my lor a few times how to go about it and the above was the psak.
was also told it can be done in a regular oven (no shabbos mode)- note: it cant have a light

↑ effess

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:04 pm

Ellie7 wrote:

While you are right that there are many Shabbos benefits, that I myself use,
I’ve always been concerned that calling it Shabbos mode will cause ppl to be nichshal as we see in this conversation. Women who are completely shomer Shabbos understand that Shabbos mode means you can put food in on Shabbos. Which is obviously not the intention of Shabbos mode, but still confused ppl.

amother

Snowflake

Mon, Nov 25 2024, 9:09 pm

amother OP wrote:

If you’re Sephardi, it’s dry, and oven has a hecker , should be ok. But as your LOR

I love when posts like this don’t specify if Sephardi or not. Hello 👋 we exist too. Can be confusing for people when blanket statements are made and not specified. I’m assuming you’re ashkenaz so in that case answer is probably different.