Stigma of Thanksgiving in frum world

↑ BaltoMom65

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:28 pm

giselle wrote:

It’s religious because they’re thanking G-d. Again this doesn’t bother me personally, but I know yeshivish people who are against celebrating for this reason.

G-d is not specific to any one religion and it isn't about Gd, per se. It's just a really nice thing specific to Americans but everyone do as they see fit

gr82no

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:35 pm

mother51 wrote:

I live out of town with no busing so.

Are there non frum teachers?
We don't celebrate any of the American holidays. Not thanksgiving, presidents, memorial, or july 4.
We have enough of our own bh why should we take from the nonjews?

lamplighter

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:36 pm

I believe there is a tshuva from reb Moishe about thanksgiving. My DH looked into this years ago.

Marathon

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:38 pm

Thanksgiving is a pagan holiday
4th of July is just celebrating that we live in a land of chesed

↑ sweetpotato

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:43 pm

giftedmom wrote:

The earliest American synagogues unfortunately didn’t leave much Frum or even Jewish descendants. Those who came after the war did things differently and look at us now.

🙄🙄🙄

Simple1

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:47 pm

I’m happy it’s not a thing by us. We’ve had plenty of YT days in September and before you know it will be Purim and Pesach. Not to mention Chanukah parties. We good; we don’t need more.

accountantmommy

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:57 pm

Marathon wrote:

Thanksgiving is a pagan holiday
4th of July is just celebrating that we live in a land of chesed

Actually no it is not a pagan holiday. It is a uniquely American holiday. You can argue whether or not it is Christian influenced due to the pilgrims involvement but it is most definitely not a pagan holiday.

↑ write4right ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 9:00 pm

giftedmom wrote:

The earliest American synagogues unfortunately didn’t leave much Frum or even Jewish descendants. Those who came after the war did things differently and look at us now.

Please check your history before writing off 200 years of Jewish communities.
The "after the war" story is revisionist history.

Mommyg8

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 9:02 pm

lamplighter wrote:

I believe there is a tshuva from reb Moishe about thanksgiving. My DH looked into this years ago.

Yes Rabbi Veiner had a shiur about this topic. He quoted R Moshe Feinstein that the turkey for Thansgiving is avoda zara.

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sk_613

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 9:12 pm

My husband looked into it and found that the biggest problem is that part of thanksgiving for many non jews is going to church and then having the meal after. So by having the same meal, at the same time every year that they are doing this is an issue

PinkFridge ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 9:27 pm

mother51 wrote:

But in the frum world it’s very common to have a bbq on Labor Day/ Memorial Day/ Presidents’ Day but then the second my kid mentions in class about having a turkey for Thanksgiving he’s told it’s avodah zarah

I think it's important that kids know we should be grateful to be in a malchus shel chesed.
But some people are noheig not to have a heavy fleishig meal Thursday night unless it's a seudas mitzvah l'kavod Shabbos.

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 9:28 pm

eduardo wrote:

Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays and I celebrate it every year. It’s a day that we stop and celebrate family and are thankful for everything we have (to Hashem, obviously)

I haven’t found that to be an issue yet, but I really don’t care what anyone says about it

It's a great time for non-FFBs to get together with and host their families. (Not a stirah to my immediate PP.)

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 9:30 pm

mother51 wrote:

But all the by camps celebrate Fourth of July. That’s an American holiday as well

Fireworks are more fun than the Thanksgiving parades.

Hamayvin Yavin

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 9:34 pm

My parents aren’t American so it just wasn’t something we did. I love the idea of having a holiday to be thankful for things. I’m glad that I don’t have to cook a whole meal. If I ever did have the patience for thanksgiving, I would not do the traditional thanksgiving meal as I dislike the majority of foods served

CDL

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 10:38 pm

We celebrate it by being thankful, we Davka (specifically) do not serve Turkey because its the ritual of it that rubs us the wrong way. There are frum people I know who are more makpid to eat Turkey on thanksgiving than to eat a fleishig Seuda on shabbos. Or more serious about it than they are Purim, which is a day they go to work. Etc. So some frum people have taken thanksgiving and given it equal if not greater importance than Jewish holidays, as opposed to commemorating it casually.

way2go

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 11:13 pm

mother51 wrote:

I was told that R Avigdor Miller said one should not eat turkey on Thanksgiving

estherj ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 11:44 pm

The original Thanksgiving was actually celebrated as a day of fasting and prayer. It was a very religious Christian holiday. Over time it has become an almost completely secular celebration, as has X-mas for most Americans. Nevertheless it may be a Torah prohibition of ובחוקותיהם לא תלכו according to many. Rav Moshe however holds that as long as one is careful not to celebrate it as an obligatory family feast and ritual one does not violate the Torah prohibition.

ProudMommie ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 11:54 pm

It's not a jewish holiday.
We have no kesher with pilgrims/anti semites.
BH we have enough of our own holidays.
We should be busy with jewish life because we are [gentile] kadosh.

↑ ProudMommie

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 11:55 pm

What a stupidity to change a Hebrew word that means nation to gentile..