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amother

↑ Peru ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 9:58 am

amother OP wrote:

Yay! In which city is it located? Is it embarrassing for people to shop there? Where I live, I visit these stores in non-jewish areas but in my area it is a complete no-no for jewish people to shop in thrift stores. Flea markets are more okay for some strange reason. Personally I find the stuff in the thrift stores are cleaner than in flea markets but whatever....

I'm ramet beis shemesh aleph

↑ Bnei Berak 10 ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 10:27 am

OP, regardless where you decide to settle I strongly recommend you to learn Hebrew. It's *The* key to successful integration whether you live or hate Israeli mentality.

↑ abound

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 10:32 am

amother Maroon wrote:

I second Ramat Shlomo.

It is part of Yerushalayim, but more affordable. They've recently built a few developments with large apartments. I know American Chassidish (different flavors) families who moved there from the costly center of Yerushalayim neighborhoods (Kaduri, Romema, etc.).

Slightly less expensive would be Givat Zeev. There are several English-speaking Chassidim there (Stolin). I know the principal and some teachers from Bnos Hadassah ("chutznik" girls school) live there.

GZ chassidim is really only stolin, GZ hachadasha is more of a mix.

amother

↑ IndianRed ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 10:59 am

Been in RBS a year. It’s very very Anglo. I hear more English walking on the streets than Hebrew. The teachers/ganenets are Israeli and Hebrew speaking though.
I have relatives who are chassidish Israeli but Anglo background so fluent in both that are moving to Dalet.

↑ Reality ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 11:07 am

For the posters recommending Ramat Shlomo, the newer American area is literally next door to Shuafat. Enough said. I don't think OP will be happy with that.

↑ Reality ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 11:15 am

amother OP wrote:

Wow thanks! DH brother recently moved to I think daled . Him and his wife are lovely people but don`t speak english. I am happy to live close to them and its okay to not have english speaking shul but if the area in general is what I am looking for, then it is fine. gimmel 1 or 2 sounds better. How far is it to walk/bus to daled?

Like I said daled is tremendous. It is divided into four sections. So while some areas are walking distance to to gimmel , gimmel 2 is pretty far. Walking from daled 4 to other parts of daled is far!

Because the area is new there are fewer bus lines so less options. More and more are being added but some areas still only have minimal bus service currently, like one or two bus lines every 20-30 minutes. Everything takes time.

amother

Banana

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 11:17 am

amother Ginger wrote:

Sounds like this is something rare and I wouldn't expect there to be a community like this

Its the reason we didnt move yet. Boro park/lakewood style chasidish here

amother

Snowdrop ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 11:43 am

What type of chassidishe are you? Do you have a Rebbe?

To clarify some misinformation posted upthread -
Givat Zev has a Stolin community in old Givat Zev and a Belz community in Agan Haayalot.
They both have English speakers (Stolin more than Belz), but if you are not Stolin or Belz, you won't fit in.

Ramat Shlomo has litvish Americans, Israeli Sefardim and Israeli and American Chassidim in the other new area - Rechov Harav Shach, which is not near Shuafat - it's on the opposite end.

amother

Cream

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 12:19 pm

Can't comment so much on the chasidish/ anglo mix although have a feeling that G2 may be the best bet, with more moderate chasidim than daled.

Re thrift shops is RBS there are lots of great options and I've never felt embarrassed to shop at them. (I'm from the UK so thrift shops were part of my upbringing, I love the treasure hunt!). I get most my kids clothes that way and end up with many great quality American brands.

There's:
- Shemeshop in the matnas, on dolev
- Vintage corner, Kikar Noiman
- Another opposite vintage corner
- שלי שלך on Herzl, near Kikar noiman
- Gemach Sorek on sorek (more Gemach style)
- חיש, a few mins outside RBS in netiv לה.

Good luck!!

↑ Reality ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 1:08 pm

amother Snowdrop wrote:

Thank you for the correction. I've actually only been to the older part of Ramat Shlomo. So it's not true that you have to drive past Shuafat to get to the newer area?

Brit in Israel

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 2:15 pm

Reality wrote:

Thank you for the correction. I've actually only been to the older part of Ramat Shlomo. So it's not true that you have to drive past Shuafat to get to the newer area?

I think it depends on which side you are coming from and if you want a quicker route.
If I'm not mistaken when I went from Uziel Narkis (Pisgat zev /Neve Yaakov area) to the new area it's much quicker driving past shuafat. But you can go the longer way. Especially now they have the new tunnel it's easier to get to without.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 4:18 pm

amother Cream wrote:

Thanks so much!! That makes me look forward. I love finding a good bargain, I am happy these stores exist in Israel!

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 4:20 pm

amother IndianRed wrote:

That sounds reassuring. Thanks so much. Do you live in daled yourself or are your relatives moving there?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 4:31 pm

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

OP, regardless where you decide to settle I strongly recommend you to learn Hebrew. It's *The* key to successful integration whether you live or hate Israeli mentality.

I know bits and pieces from all the times I spend Yom Tov at my in laws and also some words I picked up from my husband but I am terrible at piecing the words together. But I can get around with basic phrases "kamah zeh aleh"/ "slichah, at medaber anglit"/ " slichah, efoh chalav soya"!

(I am very polite and say lots of "slichahs" and "todas" lol)

What I mean about disliking the mentality is the fact that people cut lines, push, shove, shout, are rude etc. Also my israeli sis in law has no problem dragging her kids out late late at night whilst I prefer to keep my kids on a somewhat decent schedule. Then she wonders why her kids are throwing tantrums. Or how the entire family will head off to a midnight bbq at 8pm and arrive back at 12am with the kids fast asleep (I joined once and politely declined the next time). Not that I`m judging, I am just happier with routine and schedule and don`t really do all these crazy israeli things.

amother

↑ Firebrick

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 4:55 pm

amother IndianRed wrote:

Depends where you are in rbs. Lived there for years and each block is a different vibe of its own..go to bet, kiriyah, cheftziba, parts of daled, g2 and old bet shemesh. You won't hear much English. .

amother

Mustard

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:10 pm

amother OP wrote:

Im like you and ive managed fine living in Israel in an israeli community for the past 8+ yrs.
only once I had toddlers and was going to the park I started picking up the language, now bh I manage well, not perfect but like you dh is Israeli so he helps with what I struggle in (I have pushed off calling my dd teacher because dh really wants me to do it and I have phone anxiety in general never mind in Ivrit) It defo helped that we moved to a friendlier area and my neighbours are so nice and patient and include me into their conversations, if not for them I still wont be talking ivrit.

Regarding the Israeli lifestyle, it does frustrate me but it something you cant control, Yes my kids are the first on the block in bed, we dont do any late get togethers with the kids besides for here and there during holidays and we try make them rest before. ive missed plenty of Sheva brochas and get-togethers if we couldnt find a babysitter but I and my kids prefer it this way. my kids are most likely the only ones that dont stay up for Havdala in the Summer and now that Avos Ubanim is after nacht at 6:30 my son from himself knew he could only go if he went to rest. With all this we still manage to live the Israeli lifestyle in a schedule and none of us feel different.
The main secret is to not live here wishing you were living somewhere else, you have to give it your full heart, yes it disturbs me to some point that my kids have an Israeli accent but I made the choice to live in my husbands country and im just so grateful that they have all managed really well with the 2 languages. Its all about looking at the positive.
I know someone that lived for over 10 yrs in Israel wishing she lived in her hometown, she never fully settled was always looking at her friends back home etc, she moved back over a yr ago and is miserable, she keeps on wishing she can move back to Israel and start over...

I hope you find a great location for you and manage to settle well!

amother

↑ Peru

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 1:11 am

amother Cream wrote:

I actually work in gemach Sorek most clothes are with tags on and no clothes look out of date

amother

↑ Gladiolus ↓

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 1:18 am

amother OP wrote:

Can we untangle this a bit?
I live in an Israeli area, 90% of my neighbors leave their kids at home for night simchos - I should know, they're constantly asking my girls to babysit! Bein hazmanim, they'll do midnight bbq or whatever but not for sheva brachos. Chasunos of immediate family they'll take the kids which is less common in Europe, but come on, how many times a year are we talking?

I think maybe you've only ever come to family on vacation when people were on vacation schedule so it looks like they don't keep routine. During schooltime, no way.
You can totally keep routine and schedule and not go out late, I do it, I've never had an eye blinked at me.

I also don't see the push, shove piece. Shouting, yes, people are more Middle-Eastern vocal than polite European. But in more than 20 years, I've never been pushed or shoved. Cutting lines I also don't see, it's more that you have to keep your place or people will assume you're not interested. You do need to be more assertive and stand up for yourself but that hasn't disturbed my kids chinuch at all.

↑ DrMom ↓

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 2:15 am

I think it is so odd for someone contemplating aliyah to ask about thrift shops and flea markets.

Most people first ask about communities/hashkafic fit, jobs, schools, housing options, etc.

amother

↑ Snowdrop

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 2:22 am

Reality wrote:

Thank you for the correction. I've actually only been to the older part of Ramat Shlomo. So it's not true that you have to drive past Shuafat to get to the newer area?

There are two new areas of Ramat Shlomo - one is by the main entrance to the neighborhood (Rav Shach) and one is next to Shuafat. If you're coming from Ramot into the main entrance, you don't drive by Shuafat at all to get to Rav Shach.
If you're coming from Neve Yaakov, you drive past Shuafat to get to anywhere in Ramat Shlomo but you also pass a whole bunch of Arab villages on the highway leading from Neve Yaakov to anywhere so I don't see how Shuafat itself would bother someone coming from Neve Yaakov.

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