This Tisha b’av feels different

amother

↑ Orchid

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 2:59 pm

amother DarkYellow wrote:

But from today we can look back and say that the Jews who suffered and where trying to bring moshiach during the period of the crusades never had a chance because in retrospect there were at least 950 years left of mitzvos and zechusim to accumulate.

We also lost a ton of people in that time, so who knows? I heard that only recently did we get back to pre-Holocaust numbers. Maybe if they would have lived they could have done these 950 years of mitzvos much quicker.

amother

↑ Raspberry ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 3:09 pm

amother Petunia wrote:

This is how I see it too, we are a broken and traumatized people really doing our best. Where can I find the shiur?

Was posted on page 4 by wonders75, I'm just relinking
https://itorah.com/special-classes/4

amother

↑ Chartreuse

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 4:20 pm

amother Orchid wrote:

So if Hashem wants x amount of mitzvos done maybe He can keep members of Klal Yisroel alive instead of letting them be murdered?

amother

Zinnia

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:02 pm

amother Jetblack wrote:

I keep thinking we should be eating our bread with ashes now. Another year we were not zoche to Moshiach

Hope for Honolulu. It's still Tish B'av here.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:16 pm

amother Jetblack wrote:

I keep thinking we should be eating our bread with ashes now. Another year we were not zoche to Moshiach

Yes this to me is sadder than Tisha bav itself. I don’t think of it as we are not zoche but rather it’s not time yet. As yidden with everything we’ve been through and every way we’ve come together there is no way we are not zoche. We don’t know why Hashem is holding off, but it’s not because we are not zoche. It just can’t be

amother

↑ Raspberry

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:33 pm

Perhaps Hashem wants to bring him Behesech Hadaas, when we're least expecting it. Like at the Seudas Hamafsekes on Erev Yom Kippur, or maybe tomorrow when all that's visible before me are the darks, the whites, the colored and the delicates. Whenever it is Hashem, I'll be waiting. I'll be ready. We're so ready, please Hashem bring him quickly.

amother

↑ OP

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:37 pm

amother Razzmatazz wrote:

Agree
Must be out of Loving Kindness
Could be to give more yidden an opportunity to do teshuva

Yes!! More yidden to do teshuva (please Hashem should be without yissurim), more yidden to make Aliyah, more yidden to recognize Hashem, more time for the non jews to show their true colors, more time for Hashem to reward the umos haolam who stand up for the Jews

↑ 613mitzvahgirl

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:59 pm

Raspberry I was also thinking that this tonight, when we aren’t expecting it.. like it’s [gentile] g to come as sudden surprise.. we are so ready and I’m sure HaShem is seeing how much achdus we have right now..

amother

Dodgerblue

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 10:23 pm

amother Jetblack wrote:

I keep thinking we should be eating our bread with ashes now. Another year we were not zoche to Moshiach

Yes. Im kind of shocked and very disappointed, I was so sure Moshiach would be here by the end of today.

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 10:26 pm

OK. So now what?

We picked ourselves off the floor. We're going to do laundry and Shabbos shopping and everything else. Can we do it with any of the lessons we learned today, learned about ourselves?

I heard that the Brisker Rav said that there are two parts to Tisha b'Av: 1) feeling the distance from Hashem and the loss of the BHMK, etc. and 2) what's a part of every fast and that's teshuvah.

We're allowed to start adding simchah into our lives. Let's try to serve Hashem with simchah, even if we're confused, and love each other.

amother

↑ Beige ↓

Wed, Aug 14 2024, 12:49 am

So I had my computer on thekotel.org for much of yesterday and much of today.

Tonight at 9:15 pm EDT I heard the shofar blowing on my computer. I went quickly but no one at the Kotel looked like anything out of the ordinary was happening.

And then it happened at 10 pm - even more this time.

And my dd and I we got excited - maybe it really is Moshiach but also cautious because we didn’t see anything out of the ordinary happening.

And then again at 10:15.

Does anyone know if it’s common for people to blow shofar at the Kotel in the middle of the night?

Obviously I don’t think it’s Moshaich because it’s already be a couple of hours. I wish though.

It was amazing even just to have a little bit of that feeling of maybe he’s really here.

amother

↑ Beige

Wed, Aug 14 2024, 12:51 am

Also I listened to/watched the Living Lchaim and Rabbi Ginsburg video. It’s so well done and so powerful. Definitely worth watching even after Tisha Bav.

ChalieB

Wed, Aug 14 2024, 2:52 am

I didn't read the whole thread, but I clicked into it because wow, I felt the same way! It did feel different!

Then I read the first post, and it hit me like a punch in the gut. This Tisha B'Av felt different because of the feeling of dread, of doom, of "we didn't learn our lesson" and "we're not going to get Moshiach this year". Every year I have hope, this year I knew we wouldn't be redeemed. A stone fell from the Kotel! We still haven't woken up!

Maybe next year we'll learn...

amother

Silver

Wed, Aug 14 2024, 6:05 am

ChalieB wrote:

We didn't learn our lesson??

We still haven't woken up??

Maybe next year we'll learn??

What are you even talking about?

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Wed, Aug 14 2024, 10:45 am

amother Silver wrote:

We didn't learn our lesson??

We still haven't woken up??

Maybe next year we'll learn??

What are you even talking about?

We're screaming out in pain. It's like Pesach: vanitzak. But are we also finding a way to continue living vibrant Jewish lives, and connecting positively to Hashem?

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Wed, Aug 14 2024, 10:49 am

Thisisnotmyreal wrote:

My favorite part of the pregnancy moshal is that the baby is being developed for 9 months but is hidden. No one can see what is being developed or what the baby will look like. Once that baby is born, you see oh this baby wasn't just created this instant. It's been growing all along.

The golus is the developing Geula. When we get out of golus we'll look back and say oh it's been here all along. I just couldn't really see it.

And the kinnah Eli Tziyon. It's like a woman in labor, a woman mourning losing her husband way too young. I heard Rabbi Josh Grajower (who knows about the latter) put it this way: the woman in mourning, we get. She's mourning all the lost potential, in their relationship, to do good. But a woman in labor? She gets a baby at the end. But it's talking about that point in labor where a woman might feel hopeless and wonder if it will ever end. (Not that anyone here can identify, right? Wink

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