This Tisha b’av feels different

amother

↑ OP ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 6:52 am

amother Lavender wrote:

Eventually it will, but I don't think the mazel changes until mashiach actually comes. Otherwise we wouldn't be avoiding dangerous things in the 9 days etc.

Have there been any tragedies this year during the 9 days? (I know there were reportedly hostages shot which I’m not sure if it’s verified and that’s a devastating tragedy, and some attacks in E”Y). What about in chu”l?

Where I live there was a tornado and people were out of power for days. But no one was injured. It was kind of eerie

taketwo

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:38 am

amother Forestgreen wrote:

https://vinnews.com/2024/08/13/miracle-on-tisha-bav-earthquake-in-lebanon-a-testament-to-divine-protection-op-ed/

In April, there was an earthquake of similar magnitude in Lebanon, NJ.

https://www.foxweather.com/wat.....01457

There was basically no damage. I wonder if anything in Lebanon even got damaged from this earthquake, it wasn't even in Lebanon, it was in Syria.

I still believe this could be a positive message of hope from Hashem. I just don't think we can assume what the author writes in the link. About damage and a planned attack thwarted because of the damage.

I would love if someone could prove me otherwise. These are just my first thoughts. Even though I'd love to believe everything the author wrote.

amother

Pewter

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:39 am

I was anxious all night about the Iran threat. Now that most of the day passed in EY I'm a bit calmer. Hashem is protecting us.
I don't feel like it's anything close to yom tov. It's been Tisha B 'av since October 7th and today is just a stark reminder that we're still here. The hostages are still suffering every second, as are their families. The soldiers we lost and the wounded. The traumatized nation... We're still in galos big time.
I'll be ecstatic if moshiach comes today but until then I'm crying about our pain that is so strong and so endless.

amother

↑ Lavender ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:41 am

amother OP wrote:

There are no less tragedies. We're all still suffering. I had my own 'tragedy' and felt very much in the spirit of the 9 days.

amother

↑ Stoneblue ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:54 am

amother Pewter wrote:

I was anxious all night about the Iran threat. Now that most of the day passed in EY I'm a bit calmer. Hashem is protecting us.
I don't feel like it's anything close to yom tov. It's been Tisha B 'av since October 7th and today is just a stark reminder that we're still here. The hostages are still suffering every second, as are their families. The soldiers we lost and the wounded. The traumatized nation... We're still in galos big time.
I'll be ecstatic if moshiach come today but until then I'm crying about our pain that is so strong and so endless.

Yes, and not to mention the pain of constantly being gaslit and having blood libels spread about us, as a nation. This fake/untrue story about Israeli soldiers r*ping a Muslim is just killing me.

It has been proved untrue... And yet the vile comments being said on social media are downright terrifying

amother

↑ Lavender

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 9:56 am

amother Stoneblue wrote:

The comments are truly terrifying. The number of people that openly admit that they would love to see any Jew killed is absolutely horrific.

amother

RosePink

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 11:00 am

It does feel different, I am even more depressed. It has always been a day of sadness, but instead of mourning the past and what could be, it is a day of fear of what horrific challenges the future holds.
I had a little glimmer of hope last night and walking to shul for Eicha we were discussing what we will each wear to greet Mashiach. But as I woke up and of course Mashiach was not here, and 9av is long over for many Jewish communities in the East.

Our achdus was so high in October/November, but has declined tremendously since then. We are all frum women on this site and can’t even get along.

Anyone remember being so sure Mashiach was going to come with Covid? All the initial acts of Ahava and kiddush Hashem’s which were made (before the fighting and illegal minyan/weddings)

I’m sure in Auschwitz they were all sure Mashiach was coming any day.

Hashem keeps giving us all these opportunities, but in my opinion, we keep blowing them. I believe he would love to give us Mashiach before year 6000, but we fail to deserve.

Maybe the problem is me.

amother

↑ Stoneblue ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 12:03 pm

amother RosePink wrote:

Our achdus was so high in October/November, but has declined tremendously since then. We are all frum women on this site and can’t even get along.

Anyone remember being so sure Mashiach was going to come with Covid? All the initial acts of Ahava and kiddush Hashem’s which were made (before the fighting and illegal minyan/weddings)

I’m sure in Auschwitz they were all sure Mashiach was coming any day.

Hashem keeps giving us all these opportunities, but in my opinion, we keep blowing them. I believe he would love to give us Mashiach before year 6000, but we fail to deserve.

Maybe the problem is me.

This really hit home for me.
Maybe it's time for me to take a long break from this site. The animosity I see in some threads is poison for my neshama.

amother

↑ Raspberry ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 1:09 pm

amother RosePink wrote:

I don't agree with this line of reasoning, although I can totally validate how you feel. There's no way Hashem is waiting till we get it right. It didn't happen till now. And perfection Is probably not happening before he comes.
What I personally see is a withered nation, left alone amongst enemies and suffering for 2000 years and through that all, we're still trying. We may not get it right, but we are trying through so much brokenness and pain, we are amazing, and for that, we are truly deserving.
I loved Rebbetzin Yemima Mizrachis shiur last night. I think you will really like it.

amother

↑ DarkYellow ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 1:13 pm

613mitzvahgirl wrote:

The problem is we all have to look into our Neshomahs and many are too afraid- don’t worry I am too.. to see what needs to be fixed.. yes, we all have faults and strengths.. but let’s all do this together and not be apart and iyh we will all see Nissim like never before..

I'm not sure if we truly know the formula to bring moshiach. Is there something that's never been done in any previous generation that we can do? I can't think of anything.

Moshiach will come when he will come. I think we all should do our best to be kind to one another and good Jews. As far as saying that since Iran is doing this, and there's an earthquake in Lebanon, so it must mean hashem is finally sending moshiach.....I think that's futile and a waste of time. Been tried 1000 times.

amother

↑ Stoneblue ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 1:50 pm

amother DarkYellow wrote:

We know exactly what destroyed the bet hamikdash (sinat Chinam) so we know that our job is to work on our ahavat yisroel in order to rebuild it (with mashiach at the helm).

As someone just said to me "the bet hamikdash wasn't destroyed b/c someone didn't wear a black hat, or someone wore a lace front Sheitel. It was destroyed because people couldn't love and accept each other"

amother

↑ DarkYellow ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 1:55 pm

amother Stoneblue wrote:

I agree we need more ahavat yisoel. But we still don't know what will make moshiach come today, tomorrow, or next week.

Is there something you and I can do that will make moshiach come tomorrow?

amother

Currant

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 1:56 pm

I saw it explained that Mashiach has the results of our cumulative efforts.

We're not trying to do something right that every previous generation has done wrong. All we have left is to finish the job that's been mostly completed by previous generations.

And eventually there's a time when he's going to come, ready or not. We can just try and finish the job early.

amother

↑ Stoneblue

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 2:09 pm

amother Currant wrote:

Yes I heard that a few times as well, and it really resonates with me. Makes a lot of sense and answers the question of "why our generation? What did we do to deserve this, that previous generations didn't already do"?

amother

Petunia

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 2:14 pm

amother Raspberry wrote:

This is how I see it too, we are a broken and traumatized people really doing our best. Where can I find the shiur?

amother

↑ DarkYellow ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 2:38 pm

amother Stoneblue wrote:

This explanation would mean that the generation that endured the holocaust basically had no chance to bring moshiach. Since it's been over 80 years and there have been millions of mitzvos and zechusim done since then and still moshiach hasn't come, certainly that generation would not have been able to accumulate enough mitzvos to bring moshiach.

amother

↑ Orchid ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 2:43 pm

amother DarkYellow wrote:

No, not necessarily. You never know exactly how much is “left” in order to bring Mashiach. Maybe it’s just 100 more mitzvos, maybe 10, maybe 1! As we know for sure from the stories, the generation of the holocaust accumulated more than that.

amother

↑ DarkYellow ↓

Tue, Aug 13 2024, 2:57 pm

amother Orchid wrote:

But from today we can look back and say that the Jews who suffered and where trying to bring moshiach during the period of the crusades never had a chance because in retrospect there were at least 950 years left of mitzvos and zechusim to accumulate.