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amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:38 am

I saw another thread about Ranana. No idea where that is but would it fit for us? Just trying to explore all our options

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:39 am

amother Sunflower wrote:

The lady who does penniless parenting does not live in jerusalem. She lives in a yishuv outside jerusalem.

Ok what does that mean? And are there any yishuvim that would fit for us? What is a yishuv even?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:40 am

amother Chestnut wrote:

Not to make this too personal but she’s very open about where she is from. Her family is wealthy.

I can delete this if it feels too specific but op people who are making this work have the money from somewhere. It is beyond difficult- maybe not doable, to plan for Aliyah without first figuring out your finances.

You don’t have to be rich but you have to be responsible and realistic.

Oh that makes sense ok

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:41 am

amother Dimgray wrote:

Sorry, but I completely disagree. I think if you have the will and emuna Hashem will make it work.(speaking as someone who arrived literally penniless and without support with my husband and now we both have b”h very well paying jobs)

Yes I agree very much but it doesn’t mean we have to go to the most expensive place

amother

↑ Seagreen

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:44 am

Anyways maaleh Amos is in the “West Bank” so doesn’t seem like it’s relevant for you.

The main diff btwn charedi/chardal is that charDAL has the “leumi” aspect which means they are pro boys going to the army (usually through hesder or yeshiva gevoha) and girls do sherut leumi. They usually don’t go to beit yaakov (although im sure there are the more right wing leaning ones who do send to beit yaakov) they send more to state schools which are called ממ״ד תורני, they celebrate yom haatzmaut/yom yerushalayim.. if you know of Israeli yeshivas it’s the Merkaz Harav/Har Hamor crowd

There are lots of chardal families in yeshuvim (mostly Yehuda vshomron) and diff communities in cities like RBS and har choma/givat mordechai/kiryat Moshe in yerushalayim. Some cities have a “garin torani” which is a group of more religious families in a more secular city who bring a more religious presence and try to have a positive influence on the less religious families.

When you say charedi in Israel it’s usually referring to “ultra orthodox” who don’t support the Israeli state/army/sherut leumi and send their kids to the charedi school system. like in Bnei Brak, Beitar, modiin ilit etc

↑ Green Tea

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:45 am

amother OP wrote:

I saw another thread about Ranana. No idea where that is but would it fit for us? Just trying to explore all our options

It’s a very expensive and beautiful area. Think upscale. Lots of French and American olim, villas.
If you have questions about Aliyah feel free to message me. I made Aliyah about 5 years ago.
Also the Facebook group called “Israel communities info for Anglo Olim” is a great resource. You can search and check posts with the places of interest you have.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:49 am

amother Seagreen wrote:

Doesn’t sound like we’d fit in anywhere. Maybe chareidi lite

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 5:49 am

Green Tea wrote:

Thanks

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 6:20 am

amother OP wrote:

Ya no way is that happening for us with so prices. So sad

So if those prices are too much, then a duplex or stand alone home will be clear out of your budget.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 6:31 am

shabbatiscoming wrote:

So if those prices are too much, then a duplex or stand alone home will be clear out of your budget.

Ya I see that. So sad.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 6:38 am

amother Feverfew wrote:

Just came on here to say that you can dream and dream of aliyah but it doesn't need to happen now!

My parents dreamed of making aliyah from the moment they got married but could never move. They were tied down job-wise, then their kids were bigger and the adjustment would be too hard etc.

Now, after 25 years of marriage and their youngest about to graduate HS, they finally bought an apartment in the outskirts of RBS and they're planning on moving in a year.

It may be much easier when your kids are all grown up...

But then you run the risk of all of your children and granchildren not being in israel with you. Thats hard on a different level.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 6:49 am

amother OP wrote:

I saw another thread about Ranana. No idea where that is but would it fit for us? Just trying to explore all our options

Too modern and WAY too expensive.

↑ shabbatiscoming

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 6:51 am

amother OP wrote:

Ok what does that mean? And are there any yishuvim that would fit for us? What is a yishuv even?

A yishuv is a settlement, usually over the green line. Sone are cheapervrhan cities. But as anglos move to more yishuvik, the prices go up as well.

farm

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 9:35 pm

amother OP wrote:

We would probably be chareidi. Or charedi lite. Or chordal. What’s the difference between all?

I think you may want to seriously research the differences between these if you are trying to make aliyah.
Do you envision your son joining the army?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 9:48 pm

farm wrote:

I think you may want to seriously research the differences between these if you are trying to make aliyah.
Do you envision your son joining the army?

Well that’s why I’m asking here to start doing research.

Yes and no. Yes because it’s a value I uphold, but no because our general hashkafos won’t fit us into that kind of community.

amother

Snowdrop

Thu, Aug 08 2024, 3:58 am

farm wrote:

I think you may want to seriously research the differences between these if you are trying to make aliyah.
Do you envision your son joining the army?

It's an amazing thing to want to live here but you have to really visit and learn more about the different nuances of the sectors of society.

In chutz la'aretz, it's much easier to be a nice frum person and you choose your community and that's it.

In Israel you need to decide where you belong and the hashkafa here can be different to what you are used to in America.

For example I am yeshivish/chareidi, and I identify as such. where I come from, there are less rules about things such as phones, it's more socially acceptable for a frum man to go to work etc. Yes there are more accepting open places especially in RBS but you still need to put yourself somewhere
It will make a difference if you want to educate your children to follow an army path or a full time learning path. So if I want to identify as chareidi here I need to follow the rules here and be respectful and understanding of them even if back home they were slightly different. If I didn't have children I could do what I wanted and be out of the box but if you want your children to belong then you need to make sure you conform to a certain extent.

There are big differences between chareidi and chardal and other types. We are all Jews:) obviously but you really need to know what will suit your family and if you would feel comfortable here.
Maybe the more modern communities in RBS would be good for you, but you have to make an informed decision and know which hashkafa you would fit into.

YOu can speak to NBN and It's Shayech for advice. Maybe make a pilot trip and speak to a Rov here for advice and also your Rov in America. If you are all settled and happy where you are, it's a shaila whether you should move. But if you do then I wish you much hatzlacha.

amother

↑ OP

Thu, Aug 08 2024, 6:32 am

amother Snowdrop wrote:

Right it’s a huge factor in DHs not wanting to go.
It’s hard for me because on this site that’s usually not accepted as an excuse so I’ve been telling myself that I just need to push myself to find the perfect community and then we will be fine. But I really think in Israel we will either be pushed way to the left which is not our hashkafah or way to the right which would be hard for my kids

amother

Buttercup

Thu, Aug 08 2024, 8:48 am

amother OP wrote:

Doesn’t sound like we’d fit in anywhere. Maybe chareidi lite

There's a lot of 'chareidi lite' in RBS. We have friends who went and lived in RBS for a year or two - then they were able to gauge if it was a fit or not. That's what I would recommend! Some ended up staying, some moved on to other communities.

It's not like marriage, that you need to pick one now and you're stuck there Smile

Try and see!

I wish RBS was cheaper... but still, there are lovely people and great amenities, even if your rent is high.

Oh, and on the point of fitting in in general... especially in RBS there are a lot of people who wouldn't fit in to other neighborhoods boxes, and so in many ways they have made their own box. Don't not come because you're afraid you won't fit in. Come, and decide you will make it work, even if you have to be flexible in ways you didn't expect. Good luck!

amother

↑ Dimgray

Thu, Aug 08 2024, 10:32 am

amother OP wrote:

No such thing. I live in a secular / religious right wing oriented town and people live here from all across the spectrum and are accepted. Please keep that in mind!!! I would take what the previous poster said with a grain of salt. The main thing is you are in ארץ הקודש here. I have only felt warmth from my surrounding community all across the spectrum.

amother

↑ Red ↓

Thu, Aug 08 2024, 10:39 am

amother OP wrote:

RBS spans the entire gamut of hashkafot.
There are non shomer shabbat to chassidish chareidi and everything in between.
There are hundreds of shuls.

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