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amother ↓

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 1:30 pm

A mamzer marry? What will become of his children? secondly.
What happens when a Mamzer marry's another Mamzer.

red sea

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 1:50 pm

IIRC mamzerus remains for 10 generations.

I once read a book that I dont remember the name of - of a mamzeres - not an affair - but the irreligous mother didnt get a divorce - that chose to never marry because she didnt want to put anyone thru the pain. It was a really sad ending to the book. But I wonder why she wouldnt at least want to be married if she could find an infertile eligible male.

Ruchel ↓

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 2:10 pm

amother wrote:

What happens when a Mamzer marry's another Mamzer.

that's the only solution

TammyTammy ↓

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 2:39 pm

red sea wrote:

IIRC mamzerus remains for 10 generations.

I'm fairly certain that mamzerus goes well beyond 10 generations. The pasuk uses "ad dor asiri" as a euphamism for "forever."

A mamzer can marry another mamzer or a ger. Any Jewish child of a mamzer is a mamzer him/herself. A non-Jewish child of a mamzer, however, bears no stigma and, upon conversion, is a ger just like any other.

Tammy

↑ Ruchel

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 2:45 pm

So if a mamzer follow halacha and marries a mamzeret, the child is mamzer too, but if he sins and has a non Jewish child that converts, the child is problem free?

What about the child of a mamzeret and a [gentile]?

greenfire

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 2:47 pm

perhaps they can make a whole new chassidus ...

faigie

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 2:57 pm

ive heard of a situation where a non religious mothers first marriage was considered invalid, so the kid wasnt a mamzer

↑ TammyTammy ↓

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 3:09 pm

Ruchel wrote:

Presumably, since the child is Jewish, s/he inherits the mamzeirus from the mother - just as if she had a child from a Jewish man.

Tammy

↑ TammyTammy

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 3:10 pm

faigie wrote:

ive heard of a situation where a non religious mothers first marriage was considered invalid, so the kid wasnt a mamzer

That's usually the route taken nowadays, especially since non-Orthodox marriages will usually have some critical flaw (non-kosher witnesses, etc.). Of course it needs to be investigated on a case-by-case basis, as every case is different.

Tammy

↑ amother

Thu, Aug 16 2007, 1:37 pm

greenfire wrote:

perhaps they can make a whole new chassidus ...

good one ! I would adopt.