Ketubah | Imamother

proudmom ↓

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 4:21 pm

Want to hear your oppinion. Does anyone of you hang up your ketubah on the wall? The reason for me asking is because someone told me that it is not a good thing to do. You are suppose to keep it hidden where noone can see it, even your husband.

deedee ↓

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 4:41 pm

I had mine on the wall in our bedroom. hubby said acording to minhag chabad they put it away, so now its away.

Chanie

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 5:22 pm

The one I have on my wall is a copy of my real one.. the real one is a sole possession of the woman and has to be in her possessions.

Tefila ↓

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 5:35 pm

The original should not be hung up and a wife has to know where it is at any perticular time.

Our copy is done by a painter and it's on our wall in our room. Purley decorative only Exclamation

rydys

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 5:56 pm

Have you ever read your kesuba to see what it actually says? Why would I want a copy of a divorce agreement on the wall of my happy home? Especially in my bedroom!

Sunshine ↓

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 5:57 pm

I think according to minhag chabad that it can't be hung up publically in the house but I don't think it is a prob if it is in the bedroom. I have to look this up as I really want to frame mine and put it in the bedroom.

↑ Tefila ↓

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 6:29 pm

Sorry everyone it's not my kesubah thats up but a copy of the tannaim since my husband now reminded me this painter wanted to do something so we gave her this Exclamation

. Hope thats not a problem too late now Exclamation

ilvmommyhood
Guest

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 7:17 pm

Mine is honestly in my dresser hidden away. That is what my kallah teacher suggested.

↑ Sunshine ↓

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 7:19 pm

Rydys I thought the kesubah has in it all of the things that a husband has to do for his wife and the wife for her husband while they are married. It also has CVS in case they divorce.

↑ Tefila

Mon, Mar 28 2005, 9:06 pm

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and the wife for her husband

Sunshine only what he has to do for her is written in there Exclamation

Maybe one day one of us could translate and see if we are really being treated right LOL

Motek ↓

Tue, Mar 29 2005, 2:30 pm

(the kesuba states the sum of money that will paid to a woman in the event of her husband's death or divorce. Since women, in those days, did not own property, this was a revolutionary document that protected the status of women.)

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On the ___ day of the week, the ____ day of the month of ____ in the year five thousand seven hundred and sixty-_____ since the creation of the world according to the reckoning which we are accustomed to using here in the city of _____ , _____ son of _____, the groom, said to this maiden, _____ daughter of _____, "Be my wife according to the laws and traditions of Moses and Israel. I will work on your behalf and will honor, sustain, and support you according to the custom of Jewish husbands who faithfully cherish, honor, support, and maintain their wives. And I obligate myself to give you the marriage gift of virgins, two hundred silver zuzim, which belongs to you, and I will also provide your food, clothing, and necessities and will live with you in marital relations according to universal custom." And this maiden, _____, consented and became his wife. The dowry that she brought to him from her father's house, in silver, gold, jewelry, clothes, or furnishings, the groom accepted in the sum of one hundred silver zuzim, and the bridegroom agreed to increase this amount from his own property with the sum of one hundred silver zuzim, making in all two hundred silver zuzim. And thus said _____, the bridegroom, "The responsibility of this ketubah, of this dowry, and of the additional sum I will take upon myself and my heirs after me, so that they shall be paid from the best part of my property and possessions that I have beneath the whole heaven, that which I now possess or may hereafter acquire. All my property, real and personal, even the shirt from my back, shall be mortgaged to secure the payment of this marriage contract, of the dowry, and of the addition made to it, during my lifetime and after my death, from the present day and forever." _____, the bridegroom, has taken upon himself the responsibility of this ketubah, of the dowry, and the addition made to it, according to the restrictive usages of all marriage contracts and their additions made to them for the daughters of Israel according to the enactments of our sages of blessed memory. It is not to be regarded as an indecisive contractual obligation or as a mere formula of a document. We have followed the legal formality of symbolic delivery (kinyan) between the bridegroom, _____ son of ____, and _____ daughter of _____, this maiden, and we have used an instrument legally fit for the transaction to make all that is stated and explained above valid and immediately effective. It is all valid and binding.

Rivka

Sat, Apr 02 2005, 8:25 pm

Yes a ketubah is a legal document basically, you can get pretty ones, but why would I want a document up on my wall? If it were in English would you put it up? I have mine in the filling cabinet along with my marriage certificate.

↑ Sunshine ↓

Sat, Apr 02 2005, 10:31 pm

Motek the whole begining sounds like a contract of what he husband will do for his wife while married and the dowery that he gets. I makes no mention about divorce chas v'shalom.

I will work on your behalf and will honor, sustain, and support you according to the custom of Jewish husbands who faithfully cherish, honor, support, and maintain their wives. And I obligate myself to give you the marriage gift of virgins, two hundred silver zuzim, which belongs to you, and I will also provide your food, clothing, and necessities and will live with you in marital relations according to universal custom." And this maiden, _____, consented and became his wife. The dowry that she brought to him from her father's house, in silver, gold, jewelry, clothes, or furnishings, the groom accepted in the sum of one hundred silver zuzim, and the bridegroom agreed to increase this amount from his own property with the sum of one hundred silver zuzim, making in all two hundred silver zuzim.

↑ Motek ↓

Sun, Apr 03 2005, 3:42 pm

Sunshine wrote:

I makes no mention about divorce chas v'shalom.

if you look in hilchos ishus in the Rambam, chapter 10, you'll see that the man must give the woman a kesuba, which is explained to mean the amount of money he will give her, if he divorces her. The PURPOSE in giving the kesuba which specifies what $ he will give her, is so that he won't readily divorce her because it will cost him to do so.

↑ Sunshine

Mon, Apr 04 2005, 7:27 pm

Thanks for clarrifying. If that is the purpose how come it makes no mention of that in the actual document.

↑ Motek ↓

Tue, Apr 05 2005, 2:01 pm

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All my property, real and personal, even the shirt from my back, shall be mortgaged to secure the payment of this marriage contract ...

when is the marriage contract paid out? upon his death or divorce

amother ↓

Thu, Dec 15 2005, 11:46 am

hi
I would love to hang my kesuba up. its a really really nice one!
I havent seen many pple who do have it hanging

I heard you need to put it in a frame with a lock and key
is this true? and whats the whole idea behind it??

ElTam

Thu, Dec 15 2005, 12:01 pm

We have ours hanging. I have never seen the lock and key.

momtomany

Thu, Dec 15 2005, 12:06 pm

its a legal document. a contract in case of divorce. why would you want to show it off? I dont understand this new mishegas of hanging up prettilly drawn kesubas for the world to stare at. I think its a personal thing to be kept hidden in your drawer.

elisecohen ↓

Thu, Dec 15 2005, 12:11 pm

We have ours hanging, right by the front door. We figure if G-d forbid there's ever a fire or other emergency, we'll remember to grab it on the way out!

Never heard about the lock and key thing, though