Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beyond infinity? Is that even possible? Discuss amongst yourselves
When you run out of material on that we can discuss whether "kosher movies" exist and how can one deem a movie to be "kosher" when no Rabbinic organization gives hechsherim on non-Jewish movies...
Maybe we can have a contest to see who gets to be the first and last 100th page commentator. I say we give them a chocolate bar.
No, we sponsor their child's camp.
Wasn't it obvious why I' working overtime to get there?
Glad to help you out! Hey, if I win, I'll give the prize to you, if you get me a chocolate bar.
BTW, which thread was it where a few people started making one word posts?
So I'm back from my OBGYN appointment - I took all three kids. It would have been much easier to take just the baby, but no one is paying for my kids camp :-D
What really bothers me about people asking for camp, or the cleaning help thread or sheitels or whatnot is that people no longer understand the difference between "luxury" and "need" and the in-between ground.
If you are paying all your own bills, understanding it doesn't really matter. But when you are asking for tzedaka, it DOES matter. Only you will really be able to answer the question of "Did I need that tzedaka? Was I taking away from a needier person?"
If your school said "You are a SAHM and paying $500 for the summer for your 12 kids to go to camp, but we think that $500 should come to us. If it doesn't, your kids aren't welcome back." Would you give up camp, even though its hard?
I could ask that same question with many other things - cleaning help, cell phones, cars, clothing, sheitels, jewelry, food etc. Its a basic common denominator - people are willing more and more often to live off of tzedaka.
Here is an example: my husband cousin has 11 kids. I was talking to her oldest daughter who wants to marry a long term Kollel learner (her father is one). I asked her how she planned to support her family and she said as a teacher in a BY school. I asked her how she could afford a family on that salary and she said "Oh I'll just do what my parents do - for camp they only pay for 1 if they send 3 or 4. Things like that." That's her life plan at 18, and she knows its possible because her parents do it.
Ok. Here's my contribution to try to get the post to 100 pages.
What I learned on Imamother
*Old people don't understand young people, and young people don't understand anything at all
*No matter what you think or believe, there will be people who both agree and disagree and will be equally passionate
*Repeating the same arguments over and over does not make for productive discourse, and it is not a good way to make friends or influence people.
*You can be correct, and you can be polite, but some people have trouble with one or both of these.
*A few rotten apples can give the whole barrel a bad smell, if you allow them to.
*The pen is mightier then the sword, and the keyboard is mightier still.
*Good intentions do not always yield good results.
*Religion based arguments do not always work with religious people.
*Sometimes short and sweet is best.
So I'm back from my OBGYN appointment - I took all three kids. It would have been much easier to take just the baby, but no one is paying for my kids camp :-D
What really bothers me about people asking for camp, or the cleaning help thread or sheitels or whatnot is that people no longer understand the difference between "luxury" and "need" and the in-between ground.
If you are paying all your own bills, understanding it doesn't really matter. But when you are asking for tzedaka, it DOES matter. Only you will really be able to answer the question of "Did I need that tzedaka? Was I taking away from a needier person?"
If your school said "You are a SAHM and paying $500 for the summer for your 12 kids to go to camp, but we think that $500 should come to us. If it doesn't, your kids aren't welcome back." Would you give up camp, even though its hard?
I could ask that same question with many other things - cleaning help, cell phones, cars, clothing, sheitels, jewelry, food etc. Its a basic common denominator - people are willing more and more often to live off of tzedaka.
Here is an example: my husband cousin has 11 kids. I was talking to her oldest daughter who wants to marry a long term Kollel learner (her father is one). I asked her how she planned to support her family and she said as a teacher in a BY school. I asked her how she could afford a family on that salary and she said "Oh I'll just do what my parents do - for camp they only pay for 1 if they send 3 or 4. Things like that." That's her life plan at 18, and she knows its possible because her parents do it.
Anyway, that should get us to 100 pages LOL.
Hey, I have 12 kids, ka"h, and my life plan is for them to support me in my old age.
Does that count as a plan?
(I would have trimmed your post but we're all working toward a common goal of 100 pages, you know. So instead I just bolded the relevant lines. )
What really bothers me about people asking for camp, or the cleaning help thread or sheitels or whatnot is that people no longer understand the difference between "luxury" and "need" and the in-between ground.
If you are paying all your own bills, understanding it doesn't really matter. But when you are asking for tzedaka, it DOES matter. Only you will really be able to answer the question of "Did I need that tzedaka? Was I taking away from a needier person?"
If someone is getting tzedaka, are they allowed to buy ketchup and mayonnaise? or only bread and milk?
The definition of "luxury" and "need" is different for different people. What one person considers a need, another considers a luxury, and vice versa.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Ok. Here's my contribution to try to get the post to 100 pages.
What I learned on Imamother
*Old people don't understand young people, and young people don't understand anything at all
*No matter what you think or believe, there will be people who both agree and disagree and will be equally passionate
*Repeating the same arguments over and over does not make for productive discourse, and it is not a good way to make friends or influence people.
*You can be correct, and you can be polite, but some people have trouble with one or both of these.
*A few rotten apples can give the whole barrel a bad smell, if you allow them to.
*The pen is mightier then the sword, and the keyboard is mightier still.
*Good intentions do not always yield good results.
*Religion based arguments do not always work with religious people.
*Sometimes short and sweet is best.
Feel free to share what you have learned here. 8)
What I learned on Imamother:
Um. Let me think.
- You don't have to be wise to repeat a pithy saying.
- If you're silent, you'll go unnoticed.
- When you're up to page ninety-something in a thread, most newbies won't read it through from the beginning. Either people have been with you till now, or they're just stopping in.
- When you're up to page ninety-something in a thread, no one much cares what you write.
- MamaBear should enjoy her new apartment, regardless of the number of times she washes the floor and the number of shmattas she uses to do so.
- I enjoy wasting time on irrelevancies.
- I enjoy some posts more than others. If you get me to laugh, you've done a good deed.
- I can enjoy posts from people with vastly different perspectives and opinions.
- I can talk a lot.
- Some posters really annoy other posters.
- It's time for me to stop.
See, imamother is really a journey of self-discovery!
What really bothers me about people asking for camp, or the cleaning help thread or sheitels or whatnot is that people no longer understand the difference between "luxury" and "need" and the in-between ground.
If you are paying all your own bills, understanding it doesn't really matter. But when you are asking for tzedaka, it DOES matter. Only you will really be able to answer the question of "Did I need that tzedaka? Was I taking away from a needier person?"
If someone is getting tzedaka, are they allowed to buy ketchup and mayonnaise? or only bread and milk?
The definition of "luxury" and "need" is different for different people. What one person considers a need, another considers a luxury, and vice versa.
Absolutely. But we keep moving the line towards the absurd.
Would most people give up their (non-work related) cell phones for a pay-as-you-go/only for real emergencies, not conveniece kind of phone? Probably not.
Would most people give up their cleaning help, even if its just a few hours a week? Probably not.
Would most people eat cheap meals during the week and only chicken/fish on shabbos? Probably not.
We keep redrawing the line. We keep "forcing" more and more people onto tzedaka.
When people say "But its only $100 here and $500 there" from half the families in school for example, that becomes a lot of money. But no one wants to give up....it seems the only people who give up things are the "middle" class - those who can eek by to pay for everything if they pare down every luxury because they can't (or feel guilty) taking tzedaka because they don't qualify. Those who can't (not all, but I've seen this quite a bit) often say "Well I'm not paying in full anyway, its only a little bit more so what's the big deal."
So I'm back from my OBGYN appointment - I took all three kids. It would have been much easier to take just the baby, but no one is paying for my kids camp
Who took care of your kids while you got dressed & undressed, during the examination, and while you spoke to the dr ? The dr's time is certainly worth taking a sitter for.
I've held a baby during a Pap smear. That was excruciating.
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
Important Question: We are on Page 94, and people had discussed going to Page 100. Does this mean that in 6 pages, it's over??? Or do we just soldier on and set a new goal? What would Buzz Lightyear say?
TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On page 100 we should take a vote on how many womens opinions were changed because of this thread.
Some people change their opinions because of a thread?
Wow, another thing I learned on imamother!
What really bothers me about people asking for camp, or the cleaning help thread or sheitels or whatnot is that people no longer understand the difference between "luxury" and "need" and the in-between ground.
If you are paying all your own bills, understanding it doesn't really matter. But when you are asking for tzedaka, it DOES matter. Only you will really be able to answer the question of "Did I need that tzedaka? Was I taking away from a needier person?"
If someone is getting tzedaka, are they allowed to buy ketchup and mayonnaise? or only bread and milk?
The definition of "luxury" and "need" is different for different people. What one person considers a need, another considers a luxury, and vice versa.
Absolutely. But we keep moving the line towards the absurd.
Would most people give up their (non-work related) cell phones for a pay-as-you-go/only for real emergencies, not conveniece kind of phone? Probably not.
Would most people give up their cleaning help, even if its just a few hours a week? Probably not.
Would most people eat cheap meals during the week and only chicken/fish on shabbos? Probably not.
We keep redrawing the line. We keep "forcing" more and more people onto tzedaka.
When people say "But its only $100 here and $500 there" from half the families in school for example, that becomes a lot of money. But no one wants to give up....it seems the only people who give up things are the "middle" class - those who can eek by to pay for everything if they pare down every luxury because they can't (or feel guilty) taking tzedaka because they don't qualify. Those who can't (not all, but I've seen this quite a bit) often say "Well I'm not paying in full anyway, its only a little bit more so what's the big deal."
I love this typo - it really gives you the feeling of someone just barely squeaking by as they eke out a living.
So I'm back from my OBGYN appointment - I took all three kids. It would have been much easier to take just the baby, but no one is paying for my kids camp
Who took care of your kids while you got dressed & undressed, during the examination, and while you spoke to the dr ? The dr's time is certainly worth taking a sitter for.
I've held a baby during a Pap smear. That was excruciating.
I wore a very loose skirt so I didn't have to change, just took off my underwear.
My baby and 22 month old were in the stroller. My 3.5 year old was on the chair, asking the doctor all kinds of questions LOL.
