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I have this sling
http://www.starslings.com/babywearing.html
But, unlike the picture, my baby's head is never out like that. They lie deeper into the fabric
| Quote: | | The Cradle Carry and its variations are useful from birth throughout the first year. Some babies enjoy riding semi-upright in the sling while others prefer nestling more horizontally. |
Mine "prefer nestling more horizontally". Do you think this is dangerous? People have said, "How can your baby breathe in there?" But I've gotten, "Your baby can't breathe" while wearing the Bjorn (which is so obviously not true) so I've come to ignore such comments from non-baby-wearers. I can't figure it out from the links - probably cuz I'm biased. Is there some way I can get this checked out in person? Or does anyone know anything about starlings?
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| pacifier wrote: | | my baby actually loved it! It was so convenient for carrying a sleeping baby, or nurse... Obviously, when "wearing" one's baby, one has to be careful, and sometimes hold the sling (when bending down for exampe) |
Please do not use a bag sling. Please read my posts and the links. Bag slings are dangerous. Babies have died in them.
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| Posted: Thu, Nov 05 2009, 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: re: PSA: danger of bag style baby slings. |
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| ChSh wrote: | I have this sling
http://www.starslings.com/babywearing.html
But, unlike the picture, my baby's head is never out like that. They lie deeper into the fabric
| Quote: | | The Cradle Carry and its variations are useful from birth throughout the first year. Some babies enjoy riding semi-upright in the sling while others prefer nestling more horizontally. |
Mine "prefer nestling more horizontally". Do you think this is dangerous? People have said, "How can your baby breathe in there?" But I've gotten, "Your baby can't breathe" while wearing the Bjorn (which is so obviously not true) so I've come to ignore such comments from non-baby-wearers. I can't figure it out from the links - probably cuz I'm biased. Is there some way I can get this checked out in person? Or does anyone know anything about starlings? |
The little star sling is a pouch sling. I looked up reviews for it and found this:
| Quote: | COMFORT: 1 EASE: 1 QUALITY: 5
COMFORT: Limitation in sling sizing does not permit the sling to be comfortable. I have yet to fit an individual with this sling correctly. The sizing runs VERY large (a very tall and stocky friend tried on a size small and it was large on her, she takes a Size 12 womens clothing size)
If a sling is too large by even a fraction of a centimetre, this allows the babies weight to be positioned incorrectly on the wearer, extending away from the body and very low: causing lower back pain. As well, causes the wearer to feel unsure of letting go of their child.
I do find it frustrating that some individuals could solve their sizing issues, byu folding over the shoulder: yet Little Star SEWS the pouch at the shoulder....rendering this unable.
The fabric is very wide. I concern with the safe positioning of a newborn or premie, who would require a less deep pouch, being placed too deep in the pouch and not being properly supported. I encourage those that I fit with this pouch, to use a receiving balnket folded as a support pillow: ensuring the airway is kept free and clear and that a minimum of 2" between chin and chest of the baby.
I do like the thick fabric. It IS very rigid, so not alot of forgiveness if the sling is put on 'messy-like' Could create pressure points if its not lying completely flat across the shoulder. I personally enjoy thick sturdy fabrics. SO thumbs up in that dept.
The pouch sling is well sewn, so no concerns about integrity of stitching.
Summary: If you happen to be the 10% that will fit into one of these slings, you will like it. |
Bolding mine. If you watch out for the bolded, which you should do in any carrier- no chin to chest positioning and not buried in fabric- it should be fine.
To be clear- the Little star baby sling is NOT a bag sling. It is a regular pouch sling.
HTH.
Here is the link to all the reviews: http://www.thebabywearer.com/c.....tedpouches
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| Posted: Thu, Nov 05 2009, 7:48 pm Post subject: re: PSA: danger of bag style baby slings. |
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Thanks.
Yeah, it's waaay too big on me. I'm tiny, but "small" is the smallest it goes (and their measurements are way off). It's even too big for my husband, lol.
But, alas, "You already own too many baby-wearing things to buy any more", so I wear it. Sometimes I can get the positioning just right, but I usually can't wear too much for too long.
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Reading that article about the C-position, I thought it would be helpful to add that one of the things that helped me understand how to position a baby safely in a sling was to think of baby in a checkmark position -- head and back straight, with legs folded up...
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| Yes, its called the "M" position. I've posted about it before.
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I can't keep track.
Did you ever post this link: http://babyslingsafety.blogspot.com/ ?
She actually personally checked baby's oxygen levels in the bag slings...
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| (Almost anything that ISN'T a bag sling, when worn properly should be ok. Simple pieces of cloth like wraps, pouch slings, ring slings, mei tais and other asian inspired carriers...You want to make sure baby won't CH"V suffocate and is not in a chin to chest position which also should be ensured in a car seat, FYI.)
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| Hashem_Yaazor wrote: | | (Almost anything that ISN'T a bag sling, when worn properly should be ok. Simple pieces of cloth like wraps, pouch slings, ring slings, mei tais and other asian inspired carriers...You want to make sure baby won't CH"V suffocate and is not in a chin to chest position which also should be ensured in a car seat, FYI.) |
I'll just second this.
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Adding 2 more good links:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/03/prweb3718984.htm
| Quote: | Not All Slings Are Created Equally: Baby Sling & Carrier Manufacturers Speak Out On Baby Sling Safety Warning
Dallas, TX (PRWEB) March 11, 2010 -- With the publication of an Associated Press article regarding the CPSC government warning on baby slings and the Consumers Union’s concerns about “bag-style” slings, the companies co-sponsoring this release are taking a stand to help educate the public on the differences between safe vs. unsafe baby slings and carriers as detailed below.
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The ancient practice of babywearing made its way into western culture in the 1960s and its popularity with American consumers has grown because of its vast benefits. Unfortunately, this has led to the creation of several potentially unsafe baby slings and carriers. Slings and carriers of concern are popularly categorized under the token term “bag-style” slings. In “bag-style” slings, the deep pouch where baby sits puts the baby in a potentially suffocating curved or “C” like position. Also, excessive fabric with an elasticized edge may cover baby’s face inhibiting breathing. Furthermore, the design may cause the baby’s face to turn in toward a caregiver’s body, potentially smothering the baby.
In contrast, shallow pouch-style slings, ring slings, mei tais and wraps hold baby in proper alignment and they fit snugly by design and instruction. They have been engineered, developed and tested by parents, often the manufacturers themselves with their own children. These carriers are often simple and without gimmicks. Dedicated and concerned manufacturers of these types of safe slings and carriers have sponsored this release.
Because of the popularity and gaining market share of small baby carrier companies, a few years ago the Juvenile Products Manufactures Association (JPMA) was approached by a handful of these companies asking for a standard to be created. These companies were initially alarmed by the creation of some carriers, mostly by home crafters, fashioned from materials unsuitable for baby products. Soon after, M’liss Stelzer, a pediatric nurse, did an oxygenation study discovering a potential link between infant deaths and “bag-style” style slings therefore creating even more need for the standard as well as further study.
Upon this need the ASTM, an internationally recognized creator of standards for consumer products and test procedures, created a subcommittee for Sling Carrier Standards. The ASTM Subcommittee is made up of manufacturers, consumer advocates and government officials from the US and Canada including members of the CPSC. The subcommittee started writing the standard two years ago. In this time more deaths have occurred, all linked to the “bag-style” sling being reported by Jennifer Kerr, a writer for the Associated Press in the article referenced in the first line of this release. This has alerted the CPSC to take necessary action and issue this warning.
In well-designed products, babywearing is not only safe, but is actually very beneficial when done properly. Studies have shown that quality baby slings and carriers have been shown to save lives, improve health, decrease crying, increase IQ, and facilitate breastfeeding and bonding. For examples of these cases and further reading see “Increased Carrying Reduces Infant Crying: A Randomized Controlled Trial” an article written by Urs A. Hunziker MD and Ronald G. Barr MDCM, FRCP(C), “Saving My Baby” a blog post written on Fierce Mama’s Blog by Sarah Kaganovsky and Dr. Maria Blois’s book Babywearing.
Studies have also shown that worn babies are happier and spend more time in the quiet alert phase. In this phase they benefit more than their non-worn peers in language development and knowledge acquisition. Babywearing also helps babies sleep better, and physical needs, including breastfeeding, are met more quickly by a close, responsive parent. Millions of babies over time have been worn to their benefit making baby slings and carriers more of a necessity than the often-publicized fashion accessory. (Source La Leche League International)
The vast benefits of babywearing should not be disregarded with the report of incidents from “bag-style” slings. The sponsors of this release make safer baby slings and carriers and have been active in the standard writing process and are dedicated to safety through engineering. “We see this as an opportunity to reach out and educate American consumers. We hope to provide valuable information allowing parents and caregivers to not only make informed buying decisions, but also to increase the awareness of how to properly wear children, especially babies, in baby slings and carriers,” says Kristen DeRocha, ASTM Subcommittee Chair. The Associated Press article regarding the CPSC warning gives proof to the growing popularity of baby slings and carriers and validates the need for education.
Several trusted websites exist to aid in the education of babywearing for caregivers and new parents. To name a few: TheBabywearer.com, the Facebook fan page for Babywearing Safety, Mothering.com and LaLecheLeague.org.
This press release was sponsored by:
Hotslings, Maya Wrap, Moby Wrap, Wrapsody, Gypsymama, Together Be, Kangaroo Korner, Taylormade Slings, Scootababy, Bellala Baby, Catbird Baby, SlingEZee, ZoloWear, HAVA, SlingRings and Sakura Bloom |
Lots of pictures to show what a bag sling is:
http://www.sleepingbaby.net/safety.php
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A small update, these were recalled after a few deaths. If you have one, stop using it immediately. If you know someone using one let them know it has been recalled. If you see one in a store let the manager know they have been recalled.
There are so many safe great carriers out there please use a safe one.
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