Nanny/full time help in Israel-prices and availability

I think the title says it all--

How much does this arrangement cost in Israel, in general.
For someone who would be full time (45 or so hrs/wk, Sun-Thurs or Mon-Fri), and would do cleaning as well as watching the kids, walking one or two to gan/preschool if necessary, etc. and then for the remainder of the day, watch my baby. in my house.
to clarify (in case the title didnt make it clear enuf): I do not want a Ganenet. I do not want a big day care. I don't want to share a babysitter. I do not want rotating seminary girls on their free days. I want someone in my house, every day, who will be home all day and will clean. Don't care about religion or religiosity.

Been there done that for years but she didn't clean.
Going prices in major cities differe from yishuvim.
In yerushalayim I don't know today but using dollar value it would be at least $1000 a month plus benefits if not more. Maybe NIS 5,000 with cleaning, add to that sick pay, bituach leumi, vacation pay, vacation days and pension and you have another NIS 500 a month or so.

This was for 8 hours a day. If you need more, like 9 or 10 (like you have a job from 8-5 but have to commute a half hour each way) it goes up accordingly.

In other words to make it worthwhile you have to earn a take home pay of at least NIS 8,000 or more. To break even you have to have a take home pay of NIS 5,500 to 6,500 or more.

Not fun but it's for professional women or those with several jobs.
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Posted: Thu, Oct 29 2009, 11:17 am Post subject:

At least 5000NIS/month. Plus transportation (Israeli law requires you to pay transportation, up to 22NIS/day, for an employee). Plus Bituach Leumi. Plus mandatory pension plan. And, as FS points out, don't forget to budget for backup for sick days and vacation days. And, if you're lucky enough to find someone you keep for more than a year, you'll also have to give dmei havra'a.
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Posted: Thu, Oct 29 2009, 12:22 pm Post subject:

If you need someone ten hours a day, think about an au pair. In many or most cases they aren't Jewish, they live in but they are cheaper than paying for ten hours a day.
The downside is that they aren't Jewish and they live in.

Here if you have a metapelet, a nanny, it's private, not government but they are your employee. So you have to pay their pension and put away a month's salary a year for them as severence pay, and you pay transportation and social security and sick days and vacation and what Marion called dmei havra'a which is vacation pay. And you need to put away money for a backup for when they are on vacation. And it's not cheap.

You have to earn a lot or be willing to break even for a few years just to keep your job and get seniority to even consider it. In the days that I had a full time metapelet and a babysitter for the hours afterwards, I was working on several jobs and I knew that if I left I would never be able to move up in my field and become a supervisor or whatever.

So I paid out even though so many people said why are you paying so much go down to half job and just put them in playgroup.

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Posted: Thu, Oct 29 2009, 5:41 pm Post subject:

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I met someone recently who is Jewish(frum actually), who is working as a live-in nanny and she is not on the books.

So, it is done, but it isn't the right thing to do.

Posted: Fri, Oct 30 2009, 6:25 am Post subject:

You just have to decide if the fines/penalties are worth it to pay off the books and not to pay into Bituach Leumi (social security), as required by law.

Illegals are very hard to get here. They exist, but there is currently a crackdown going on. To get an immigrant domestic worker (legally) you have to prove to the Ministry of Labor that there's no Israeli who can do the job. You have to do the visa paperwork. They have salary & benefit guidelines. Deportation guidelines for illegals who are caught have them out of the country within 48 hours.

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My brother has a philipino working in their house and my freind has one as an aide for her 90 plus year old father. But I think bituch leumi pays for them directly. There are also a lot of rominanias working in the country. I could find out more info if you need.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-11-02-immigrants_N.htm

Let's be realistic.

1) it's illegal
2)Now that you know that also know that there are loads of illegal filipino women who will be happy to be nannys but they have to live in because they are illegal, you have to have a car so that if they need to go anywhere you can take them and they can't go out past your neighborhood. If you get caught you pay a fine and they get deported. The fine is BIG. We are talking like $5000
3)Did I mention that it is illegal?
4) You pay them a (high) salary in cash. Vacation pay. No social security obviously and no pension and no serverents pay.
5) You can find them pretty easily even with the crackdown.
6) Did I mention that it is illegal?
7) Lots and lots of people do it. But usually only those who live in the suburbs where the police don't come and earn a high salary and have a big enough house so that there is room for a live in.
8 ) Did I mention that it is illegal?

gosh, I wish I would have known all of these facts when I worked as a private mitapelet for someone when I just made aliyah. I watched their child for at least 8 hours a day and even did some cleaning for them. I made a good 4000 shekels, but that was all I made. I did not know about bituach leumi having to be paid or any of that other stuff either.

thanks to all of you posters for enlightening me for the future.

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many people have philipinos illegally. the thing is, that if a cop catched them outside and asks for papers then they get deported. therefore, many of these housekeepers just stay in the house they work in 24/7. on their "day off" they just relax/sleep in their room.

a good one can clean and help you with kids but I wouldnt risk sending her with kids to drop by gan and pick up since she may get deported.

they are about $200-$300 a week, plus feeding them and housing them.

Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2009, 8:16 pm Post subject: