Anybody hear of this new vaccine Hpv vaccine?

Senior Member Joined: Apr 21 2006 Posts: 119

Took my 12 yr old dgtr to the doctor and he told me about this new vaccine. It is for the Human Papilloma Virus which can lead to cervical cancer. Has anyones doctor mentioned this to them?
I don't think I want to try a new vaccine. It also has to be given in a series of 3 doses over 6 months
so you have to figure out ahead of time if your child will be available.
Just wondering what peoples views on this are.

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Here's a thread about it:
http://imamother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24927&highlight=hpv

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Just wanted to add: in addition to my views on that thread that I have looked more into this, and there seem to be significant side effects in terms of gynecological issues. For someone to give the vaccine on the slim possibility that their daughter might "fool around" (assuming she's been brought up with values not to) and might contract HPV and that might not be caught on a pap smear, and the vaccine will take care of that particular strain doesn't seem like the safer conclusion after weighing risks and benefits.
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1. A friend who is a virologist has encouraged me to give my daughter the vaccine (and she has given it to her daughter).

2. it's not a question of whether your daughter will "fool around." Not only do you have no guarantee what her dh will have done before marriage (or who he might have been married to--it gets complicated), there is a BIG additional point that my (frum) pediatrician told me: Can you guarantee 100% that your daughter will never be assaulted? Unfortunately not.

Agreed in full and I am trying to convince my daughters to take it. It's expensive here and dh and I offered to pay.
One assult and you have to worry for a lifetime. And the side effects seem to be negligible. What gyno side effects did you find out about Hashem Yaazor? I didn't hear of any. Only the usual fears vis a vis vaccinations in general (MS like symptoms neurology etc.).

Also my gyno gave his SON the vaccination, he was on the committee testing it here in EY before it got licensed. Seems that it prevents the genital warts and he didn't want his son catching it from any girl. Turns out that it is the number one reason for the (relatively rare) malignancy of the male organ.
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1. The chances of getting assaulted, the chances of getting HPV from that assault, the chances that that HPV strain is protected from the vaccine, and the chances that that would not be picked up on a pap smear before it is a problem is incredibly, incredibly slim.
Yes, what one's husband did before marriage is also an issue, but again the chances of all this combined is so incredibly slim that I don't think this is a "gard" for much that it's saving our daughter's lives.

2. In terms of side effects, this should be something EVERYONE researches before giving a vaccine. The side effects of this vaccine include:

HY, are you saying that the numerous (how many) cases of Hodgkins lymphoma were from EBV components in the vaccine? OY...

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My daughter is on the Pill - for several reasons - but I don't assume she'll "fool around".

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I know several people that have gotten HPV......for one of them it has become very serious. These are girls from all different background...and yes I know plenty of "good girls" that fooled around in high school. One of these girls is super chassidish now, I have no idea what her husband knows about her past.

That being said, I am still a bit weary of a new vaccine. It has been on the market for more than a year (it was offered to me 3 years ago, now I am too old for it.)

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The other issue is that HPV has been indicated in many if not most cases of neck and throat malignancies as well, mostly from oral s-x, and that the four strains that it protects against seem to be the prevalent ones in 70% of the cases of HPV that become malignant. There is no pap test for the tongue. And that for girls who want to stay virgins is the most likely kind of relations they have before marriage.

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Don't you think that at the age that the vaccine is given, that this is something your daughter should decide?
Give her both sides of the information...what it protects against, what it doesn't, how one gets the disease, what the side effects are, and have her weigh in.
I don't think frum girls who mess around usually start at 11...rebellion is usually a bit later on, and at those teen years, I think they're asking for freedom...so give them independence on this issue where there might not be one right answer for everyone...

You don't want to know the percentage of oral relations in the teens. I think like you that 11 is really young, but at 15-16 one should speak to one's daughter and see what she thinks about the vaccine.

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Right, but at 15, I think a girl should be old enough to decide for herself if you see it might be necessary.

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(ss321, you'd be surprised how much you do agree with me on vaccines...I usually just want people to be informed and make decisions, but I'm not a "no-vaxer" Wink

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I WISH I HAD GOTTEN THE VACCINE! MY DH GAVE ME HPV AND I NEED TO GET A PAP EVERY 6 MONTHS TO SEE IF THERE ARE C"V ANY CHANGES. THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT BUT GET A VACCINE BEFORE YOU TURN 26.

WHEN MY DAUGHTER I"H TURNS OF AGE TO GET IT I WILL. I THINK 80% OF WOMEN GET SOME SORT OF HPV IN THERE LIFETIME. LOTS OF WOMEN HAVE IT AND DONT EVEN KNOW IT. AND MEN GET PASS IT ON WITHOUT EVER KNOWING THEY ARE CARRIERS.